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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Jorge A. Romero, M.D. <[log in to unmask]>
Aan: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Datum: zaterdag 25 maart 2000 7:02
Onderwerp: Re: Pergolide without Levodopa
>> Yes, levodopa causes dyskinesias in advanced PD WHEN YOU INSIST IN USING
inappropriately HIGH DOSES OF LEVODOPA despite the dyskinesias. <<
The alternative is more OFF-periodes when you reduce the doses of levodopa.
>> You yourself indicate that "patients with advanced Parkinsonism that
reduce the use of levodopa have less dyskinesias." <<
I mean that if at a certain moment a PWP HAS dyskinesias, AT THAT MOMENT
dyskinesias can be reduced by using less levodopa.
>> That last statement is NOT the same as what you wish to imply, that
patients who delay the use of levodopa have less dyskinesias. <<
PWP that delay the use of levodopa, do not have LESS dyskinesias, but will
experience the dyskinesias a few years LATER.
What I mean I perhaps better explain with an example:
Theoretical situation 1:
- Year 2000: a PWP starts using levodopa.
- in the next 10 years his PD progresses and he needs higher and higher
doses.
- in 2010 the doses of levodopa are at the level of causing dyskinesias.
Conclusion: after 10 years of treatment there are dyskinesias
Theoretical situation 2:
- Year 2000: a PWP starts with mono--therapy using an agonist.
- Year 2003: PD progressed and the agonist alone is not enough any more and
needs supplementing with levodopa.
- in 2013 the doses of levodopa are at the level of causing dyskinesias.
Conclusion: after 13 years of treatment there are dyskinesias.
Theoretical situation 3:
- Year 2000: a PWP starts using levodopa.
- in the next 10 years his PD progresses and he needs higher and higher
doses.
- in 2010 the doses of levodopa are at the level of causing dyskinesias.
- levodopa dose is therefor reduced and the remaining dose of levodopa is
supplemented with an agonist.
- in 2013 the agonist is at maximum dose and increasing levodopa as
remaining opportunity will again cause dyskinesias
Conclusion: after 13 years of treatment there are dyskinesias.
As you wrote in studies only situation #1 and #2 are compared.
I think we agree that treatment #2 and #3 are prefered, compared with #1.
But you prefer #3 as treatment, while I prefer #2.
As you mentioned #3 is not included in studies and I agree with you that it
should have.
Let us assume for a moment that the theoretical time periods in #2 and #3
are correct. Then IN THEORY in both situations dyskinesias would be
unavoidable after the same period (13 yrs).
But in PRACTICE the period before dyskinesias in #2 would be LONGER than in
#3. Why is that?
Kidneys of young people are filtering out medications better/faster than the
kidneys of old people. Therefor you need relatively more meds when you are
young than at an older age. Therefor in #3 you need relatively higher doses
of levodopa (because you start at the relatively "younger" age), resulting
in a SHORTER period before the dose of levodopa is reached at which the
dyskinesias appear, compared with #2 (where you start with levodopa at a
relatively "older"age and need relatively lower doses of levodopa).
Therefor IMO #2 is preferable to #3.
Hans.
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1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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