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CASLL-L January 2004

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turnitin.com and the Star

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I used turnitin.com with my fall course this year for the first time. I was
not much impressed. For example, even though Scientific American is on the
web, turnitin cannot catch it (the site is secure and turnitin is too cheap to
subscribe, even though that's an obvious source for any science paper).
In fact, it cannot even catch the "trailer" to the Sci-am articles which are
available to the public. (I know because I copied the lead paragraph from the
Sci-Am website, and sent it to turnitin. It came back as entirely original. I
complained to turnitin about this truck-sized gap, but I've yet to receive a
response). Thus, it saved some time, but not a lot. They're only good for
public access web sources.

At the same time, the student's argument is flawed. Requirement to do
something is entirely different than presumption of guilt. (If I'd been the
prof, I'd have given him an incomplete-- it is just as if he hadn't handed it
in.)  Further, I'm pretty annoyed at the student's assumption about what my
job is: the student assumes that my job is to "catch" the cheater. No, my job
is to give feedback and coach students to express themselves more clearly; so
if I can have a filter that will weed out spurious crap, it reduces the time I
have to waste being plagiarism police allowing it to be spent more
productively.

In fact, turnitin did catch two of my students on drafts. This was a huge boon
to the students because I would have caught them in the final analysis anyway,
BUT it saved me time and it allowed them the chance to recover, to reconstruct
their thinking in ways that synthesized others' ideas and capitalized on them
rather than spouting them (and badly misconstruing them).  The better of the
two managed a B+ in the course.  I do not assume with turnitin.com that
students are guilty until proven innocent, but that this is a learning tool.
Another way to regard it is like the signature on the back of your passport
photo: it is validation that you have gone through the appropriate hoops. It
isn't that people assume you're a terrorist if you haven't got your photo
signed, it's just you haven't finished your task of preparing the application.
Same with the paper, it's just part of the process.

Further, if you are mishandling sources, turnitin is a lot kinder than a
decanal tribunal. (I sat through a particularly painful one of these in
November.)  Finally, I do assume -- more I know --

The student's complaint about expanding the database shows that he hasn't
really ever studied science where copying old lab reports is virtually a rite
of passage. (And no, you can't create a different lab for every class of
students when the costs of the lab are several hundred thousand for
equipment).

The student's moral indignation seems to me misplaced. One could be
equally indignant about students who try to cheat the system.  Now, I may
be sounding somewhat American (or as my kids would say "U-S-ian" -- "they
don't own the whole continent") but I would say that the limitation on the
freedom is worth the benefit it has for the many. While I wouldn't want to
apply this too far to homeland security, in my Canadian way, I think that
allowing the professor time to work with the legitimate work of students is
part of good governance.

Finally, in my class of 20 engineers, turnitin probably saved me 2 or 3 hours
work; that is insufficient for the university to increase my enrolment. The
student needs to turn elsewhere for the "big classes - lack of faculty"
argument. It seems unlikely to stick to turnitin.com.

So, although I don't especially like turnitin, I can't see this student's
rhetoric as being the bright light of northern reason that Marci is hoping
for, but then I don't suppose you're finding that in the primaries either.

Rob

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