Your opinions are valued Doctor.

In my quest for helping my wife I looked at Dr. Garg.  I gave it very
serious consideration.  I tried to see what he did and just what his cure or
treatment was.  I am not a rocket scientist but it took me no more than 15
seconds to realize this was not the road to follow for us.

We are willing to pay a very high price for Hope.  There are always those
who will prey on hope.  There are even some who will justify their
activities by saying  "I gave them hope, others could not, others could not
cure,  hope is better than nothing..."

I need help!  I need guidance!  I need shared experience!  I need science!

I have hope!  I have my own religious beliefs!  I have my own politics!


Frank cg. Teri 52/47/40 15024





----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Focus and Objectives ....


> On 12 Feb 2004 at 12:11, callie judd wrote:
>
> > Dr. Fink:  I have to ask you - are you an M.D.?  You have the letters,
> > the credentials, but it would seem your heart is that of a critic and
> > antagonist...I am certainly cautious of medical personnel such as
> > yourself since you seem to have lost sight of the objective...to find
> > ways to overcome lif-threatening conditions!!  Your oath says "do no
> > harm" - don't you think you can be doing harm wasting so much of your
> > time pursuing the denegration of someone you don't even know?  The
> > world is full of dangers - why don't you focus your energies on the
> > emotional needs of your patients and yourself and stop focusing on
> > others as the source of problems.   If Dr. Garg truly has something to
> > offer, time will prove it out...the TRUTH will prevail about him and
> > about you...meanwhile, perhaps you need to talk to someone who can
> > help about this obsession you are expressing against someone who is
> > trying to find workable answers for people who are dying inch by inch
> > each day and need the hope of us all working together to overcome
> > their physical and mental deterioration.  I do feel sympathy for you
> > not being able to look at the glass as half full (knowing all glass is
> > fragile and breakable)....I will always keep your replies offlist
> > confidential if you desire to do so....  Callie Marie Judd
>
> Callie,
>
> I am an M. D., and a Board Certified neurosurgeon.  I am also a professor
at
> the University of California School of Medicine and I have been working
> with Parkinson patients (among others) for more than 35 years.
>
> I am very sensitive to people who promote "cures" which have not been
> tested scientifically and have not been peer-reviewed by colleagues in the
> field.  I am also very dubious of people who claim to be one thing (Dr.
Garg's
> literature says that he is a neurosurgeon) and who are not.  Just because
a
> condition is a serious one and the full story for "cure" is not known,
does not
> justify the promotion of nonscientific "treatments" (often expensive ones)
in
> the commercial way that people like Dr. Garg employ to advocate their
work.
> If you read Dr. Garg's postings on the Web, you will also discover that he
is
> asking for *money* to "set up a clinic", here in the USA or elsewhere.
>
> You might re-read my comments, published on Al Musella's Website for
> brain tumor research, involving "alternative treatments" and commercial
> enterprises such as advertised by Dr. Garg and his proponents.  An
excerpt,
> dealing initially with a Dr. Burzynski (a doctor who claims to have a
"cure"
> for brain tumors), but also with others who have similar "cures", follows
> below:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My basic position on the Burzynski (and other "non-orthodox"
> treatment) issue.  So far as I am concerned, this is my "last word"
> on the subject unless people specifically *ask* me for my opinions.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> BURZYNSKI ET AL, MY BASIC POSITION
>
> With the recent repeat run of questions regarding the Burzynski
> treatment ("antineoplastons"), I have experienced a new set of flames by
> certain members of this List.  My responses to those flames, if any, have
> been made to the individuals and have not been posted to the List.  I
> thought, however, that it was time for me to write a little note here
> about my attitudes towards "alternative therapies" and people like Dr.
> Burzynski.
>
> I am a scientist.  What I know about the treatment of disease is based on
> research done by myself and others and part of many years of scientific
> labors by many people.  I have seen many positive changes in the treatment
> of brain tumors and other neurological disease/injury in my 30-plus years
> of work in this field.  I also realize that there are still far too many
> conditions that we cannot cure (gliomas, brain stem tumors, and other
> conditions).  I am confident that, with the advance of science, we will
> eventually have answers to these currently incurable conditions.  In the
> meantime, our job is to alleviate suffering as much as we can.
>
> I am not a neurosurgeon for the money.  Most of my colleagues in
> medicine feel the same way.  Yes, we get paid for what we do; indeed,
> everyone must earn a living in order to support onself and one's family.
> Some physicians make a great deal of money, but those who do usually do so
> because they put in long hours and much effort into their practices.  Even
> those of us who are wealthy (and I am not one of these!) do not approach
> the incomes made by some entertainers, sports figures, and others who some
> might say do less to earn their incomes.
>
> I do not begrudge any physician the ability to make a good income.  On the
> other hand, I have never refused to care for a patient because they could
> not pay; and I have certainly not made a patient pay me simply for going
> over some records to decide if I would accept them in my care.  When doing
> research (and I have done my share), I have always done that work with an
> affiliation to a major University or other teaching institution, and the
> work was supported by grants, either Government or private in origin.
> Patients were not charged for treatment which was experimental or
> research-oriented.  I do not believe that it is ethical for patients to
> pay for treatment which is experimental and I do not support people who
> profit from experimenting on patients.
>
> There have been many instances where people have advocated new therapies
> for "dread" illnesses.  In the late 1950's when I was a medical student,
> my best friend, a young man who was but 20 years old, was stricken with
> testicular cancer and, after surgery and the state-of-the-art treatment
> for the time (testicular cancer is now highly curable with modern
> chemotherapy), he subjected himself to a treatment called "Krebiozen", a
> substance developed by a man whom was later shown to be a charlatan.
> Sadly, this man attracted the interest of Dr. Andrew Ivy, a Nobel
> prizewinner from the University of Illinois, and, by connecting Dr. Ivy's
> name with Krebiozen, succeeded in profiteering off of hundreds of
> thousands of cancer sufferers before "skipping the country" with his
> ill-gained millions, leaving his patients with their disease.  Many of
> these "miracle cures" had their "testimonials" (of long survival or
> "cure"), but careful scrutiny, using scientific methods of laboratory
> analysis often proved that there was no cancer to begin with in the
> "cured" patients. Sadly, in the case of my friend, after his parents
> depleted their savings for the Krebiozen, Malcolm died in pain at our
> University Hospital, barely after completion of his sophomore year in
> medical school. Our graduating class yearbook was dedicated to him.
>
> When scientists criticized the nonscientific aspects of Krebiozen and also
> criticized the financial aspects of Dr. Durovic (the "inventor"), people
> literally "came out of the woodwork" to accuse "organized medicine" of
> trying to "block a new treatment" because such treatment "would cost the
> medical establishment money".  This is a common thread among those who
> espouse these "new cures" with almost religious zeal. When Dr. Durovic
> left the country with his money (and Dr. Ivy was disgraced), the
> "testimonials" stopped.
>
> In the seventies and early eighties, another "miracle cure" came
> around.  This one was "Laetrile", an extract made from apricot pits,
> which contained a small amount of highly toxic cyanide.  It was later
> called "Vitamin B-17" to avoid inclusion as a drug by the FDA.  When
> Laetrile was finally tested by independent laboratories, it was found that
> many specimens contained no active ingredients, while other specimens
> contained levels of cyanide which, in children, could be very toxic and
> even fatal.  Laetrile was sponsored by a Dr. John Richardson, whose
> practice was right in the next town from where I practiced as a
> neurosurgeon, and Dr. Richardson's patients came from all over the country
> to receive the Laetrile injections.  Dr. Richardson had a deal with a
> local motel where the patients stayed, and there was hardly a week when
> one or more of these patients, often from a long distance away, would be
> brought to the Emergency Room of our hospital in a terminal condition from
> rapid spread of their cancer (Dr. Richardson could never qualify for
> hospital privileges and could not admit his patients to the hospital).  I
> cared for some of these patients during their terminal stages (many of
> them had metastases to the brain and/or spine), and they all said that
> they were "cured" by the Laetrile, and that what was going on at the time
> was due to "something else".  I also, interestingly, ran into several
> patients who developed non-cancer-related conditions while in the area for
> Laetrile treatment; and, while they were receiving care for that
> condition, tests revealed that there was no evidence of any cancer, or
> that cancer had ever been present.  I was never able to obtain biopsy
> evidence from Dr. Richardson in those cases.
>
> Dr. Richardson eventually, I believe, ran afoul of the legal
> authorities (I am not sure whether it was medicine-related or
> tax-related), but he eventually closed his practice and I believe he
> died some years ago.  When the FDA and other University facilities
> attempted to test Laetrile, no beneficial effect was ever found (when the
> patients actually had proven cancer), and the potentially toxic effects
> were substantiated.  I still occasionally hear of someone touting this
> substance, but it is no longer a major player in "alternative medicine".
>
> The common thread in many of these "miracle cures" is the following:
>
> 1. The method or "treatment" is *proprietary*; i.e., offered only by
> one person or institute.
>
> 2. It costs a lot of money and payment is usually required to be "up
> front".
>
> 3. The work is not being done through an established University or
> Government grant.  Such work (through Universities or grants) is
> usually free to the subjects.
>
> 4. The publicity for the work is mainly through "testimonials" and not in
> accepted, peer-reviewed scientific journals.  I recently reviewed some
> work published in an overseas journal about a new method of treatment of
> another "dread disease" (Parkinson's disease) and found that the "new
> method", being advanced by a proprietary researcher, was available only at
> the researcher's proprietary facility and was very expensive.  There had
> been a number of articles in this journal attesting to the validity of the
> work, but when I finally got a copy of the journal in question, I
> discovered that it was owned and published by the researcher himself, and
> that he was the basic "peer review" person!
>
> 5. If anyone attempts to question the motives of the proponents of
> these new "cures", the responses from the "testimonial people" are
> vigorous.  We (the critics) are merely trying to "preserve the profits of
> the medical establishment" and we are persecuting Dr. A or B because he is
> threatening us (in orthodox medicine).  It is a "conspiracy" to prevent a
> new cure from being brought to the public. Why are people so quick to
> question the motives of scientists?  If someone found a cure for cancer
> tomorrow, don't you think that most of us wouldn't immediately start using
> such for our patients as soon as it was shown to be safe and effective.
> That's what research is all about.
>
> There are many diseases and conditions which, to date, are incurable. I
> cannot cure glioblastomas, brain stem tumors, metastatic melanomas. All of
> the orthodox medical armamentarium to date is useless against these tragic
> conditions (for cure; we can certainly help temporarily).
>  When a patient wants to try "alternative treatment" under such
> conditions, I never attempt to block such, as long as they also
> consider the traditional treatment which may be helpful and which will not
> cause unnecessary pain or harm.  The destruction of a family's financial
> resources (by an expensive, unproven treatment method) is just as severe a
> side-effect (for the family) as is a reaction to toxic chemotherapy or
> radiation damage.
>
> If therapies such as Dr. Burzynski's "antineoplastons", Essiac tea,
> shark cartilage, angiogenesis inhibitors, immunotherapy, etc., have
> value in the treatment of brain tumors, then it will be shown through
> scientifically-valid research.  Such research will be financed by grants,
> either private or public, and not by the savings of middle-class and poor
> families who are desperately trying to salvage a few weeks or months of
> life for themselves or a loved one.  I would not take my family to many of
> these schemes (nor would I accept them myself); and I would advise my
> patients to avoid some of these as well.  If I am asked for my opinions
> concerning these "cures", I will give my honest reponses, flames or no
> flames.  And I will not be drawn into a "game" of invective and "blame" by
> the devotees.  As I have said before (and others disagree), medicine is a
> science, not a religion, and the eventual cure for malignant disease will
> come from scientific fact and not from "belief"!
>
>
> All best,
>
> Bob
>
> ======================================
>
> Please feel free to follow-up on the List, as I have nothing to "hide",
and
> believe that questionable "treatment programs" should be exposed to the
light
> of day.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
> Robert A. Fink, M. D., F.A.C.S., P. C.
> Neurological Surgery
> 2500 Milvia Street  Suite 222
> Berkeley, CA  94704-2636  USA
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>
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> given after a formal, in-person, consultation between
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