----- Original Message -----
From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Bush bashing/the US Constitution


> Rick, thank you for keeping this conversation alive.
>
> It became clear to me this morning that people who say we were founded by
> Christians are certainly correct.  The question is what kind of government
> did they found?  Not a theocracy.
>
> Iraq is a Muslim country, but we hope they will not reaffirm that Allah is
> just Allah in their constitution if they ever do get it written and
> ratified because theocracies as we learned in our Colonial Period lead to
> intolerance and killing.
>
> The US Constitution contains nothing about an eye for a eye or coveting
> your neighbor's wife, it is about the separation, division and balance of
> powers of men not gods, as expressed by European Enlightenment political
> philosophers like Baron Montesquieu, not Jesus Christ.
>
> I guess I have taught the Constitution so long that these facts are
> self-evident to me and I can't get into the mind-set of someone who has
> never studied it and follows some religious leader.
>
> I'd like folks to know about the role of  Deism in the structure of our
> constitution too, but my hands are giving out and they would no doubt find
> the analogy of the watchmaker boring.
>
> Ray
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:38 AM
> Subject: Bush bashing
>
>
>>I understand all of those who are frustrated with the Bush bashers.
>> I'm a Bush basher too, and sometimes we just get carried away.
>> There's just so much to bash.
>>
>> I hope you will forgive me, and Rayilynn and others, for getting
>> frustrated with so many policies which we not only don't agree with,
>> but which we also see as detrimental to human progress over all, and
>> to Parkinson's research specifically.  It's really hard to keep your
>> mouth and your typewriter shut when so much of what you see your
>> leader doing goes against your moral fibre.  And here's another
>> departure point for another round of arguing about who has morals and
>> who doesn't.
>>
>> My wife is a Unitarian, and her car carries a sticker that says, "We
>> are all family.  We all have value."  And we all have values.  If you
>> can't stand to even read what I say about my values, then don't open
>> my emails.  I would also suggest doing a Google on the word,
>> "tolerance".
>>
>> If you get the listserv as a digest, in just one email, I think there
>> should be a way to receive postings separately, as I do, so you can
>> delete messages from people you don't agree with.  Luckily, you can't
>> delete people who nay-say what you believe in.  If that upsets you
>> overmuch, again, I apologize.  In making a political statement, I
>> really don't want to upset your applecart of plenty, but it's stacked
>> so high that a little bump in the road could cause an apple-anche
>> (sorry, had to do that.  tee hee)  But to me, someone has to state the
>> obvious: the emperor has no clothes!
>>
>> Ray has been fighting for all of us, and she's been fighting this
>> disease longer than I have.  Far as I'm concerned, she can say
>> whatever she wants.
>>
>> And so can you.  What's wrong with that?
>>
>> Enjoy Fall!
>> Rick McGirr
>> Email: [log in to unmask]
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