Mackenzie
This just reminds me how time flies when you're doing nothing but existing.
I saw this video online sometime around the time I  had my DBSs which is
almost 3 years ago.  I don't know about Turner, but the women complained
about the way Brownback used them.  I read somewhere that pro ASCR over ESCR
politicos and religerants get a list of every experiment that has been tried
with ASCRs and count it as a  treatment or cure.  I have seen on many sites
(thanks to Diane Wysak)that ASCs are currently treating Parkinson's Disease.
I try to correct that lie/mischaracterization when I can.  Compassionate,
right?

Wonder how Turner is faring now.  There was no "control group".  I think the
conclusion was the ASC replacement did not address the reason the cells died
in the first place.   It would be terrible to have to have sham brain
surgery.  One can only take so much brain surgery.
Ray
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From: "mackenzie" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: Fwd: turner's 2004 senate testimony


> just to clarify - it is in this 2004 testimony that
> turner says his symptoms are returning after four
> years without them.
>
> one of the big questions levesque/turner leaves
> unanswered is could it have been the placebo effect -
> which leads me to wonder again - why can't we all just
> have sham brain surgery? you know, as an interim
> solution until they get gene therapy or cell
> replacement or growth factors to work? (only half...
> joking)
>
> --- mackenzie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>
>> On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the
>> Senate again as evidence that adult stem cells are
>> better than embryonic and that PD is being treated
>> with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck
>> facilitated the trotting - maybe this is what Ray
>> saw?
>>
>>   it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing
>> - Brownbeck is out there spreading the word that
>> ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are they being
>> used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't
>> PWP the world over flocking to have this procedure?
>> what does he expect people to believe - that those
>> wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have
>> found a miraculous new treatment but they are hiding
>> it from the world, because... they would rather kill
>> embryos?
>>
>>   it boggles the mind.
>>
>>
>>
> http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676
>>
>> Nick & Oanh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>   Ray,
>>
>> What is your source for Turner's PD returning?
>>
>> How many years of good living has Turner had?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> rayilynlee wrote:
>>
>> > Mary Ann,
>> >
>> > the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a
>> neurosurgeon, not an MDS
>> > movement
>> > disorder specialist.
>> >
>> > As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I
>> didn't think there were any
>> > yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment
>> had disastrous
>> > results.
>> > Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque
>> used his own adult
>> > brain
>> > cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not
>> necessarily be the
>> > answer. But
>> > hESCR is needed according to most scientists to
>> learn the
>> > etiology(causes)
>> > of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD
>> and other
>> > diseases. All
>> > kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in
>> this fight. Ray
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Mary Ann Ryan"
>> > To:
>>
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM
>> > Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann
>> >
>> >
>> >> If
>> >>
>> >>> whole swaths of scientific research are now
>> decreed "out of bounds" as
>> >>> discussion items, what will this group have left
>> to talk about?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds.
>> Discussions about people's
>> >> right to disagree about stem cell research based
>> on moral or ethical
>> >> issues
>> >> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A
>> neurologist left this list
>> >> (even
>> >> though he provided wonderful insights into the
>> treatment and
>> >> mechanism of
>> >> PD) specifically because of this kind of
>> discussion. We all need to be
>> >> united in this fight - not divided.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold
>> the key to cures for
>> >>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and
>> conditions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued
>> because of the resulting
>> >> violent
>> >> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether
>> possible that stem cells are
>> >> not
>> >> the answer to PD.
>> >> ---------
>> >> God bless
>> >> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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