Scott, I guess you can wear both hats at the same time, but can only
perceive one at a time according to quantum physics?? Isn't  this kind of
like Shroedenger's cat that is both dead and alive?
Ray
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe


> Hi Ray and Bernie.
>
> Reality largely is another word for truth.  In other words, our truth is
> our
> reality.  We basically have two kinds of truth: absolute and relative.
> Absolute is what *is*, period, but what no one really knows, because we
> all
> have different ideas about what it is.  We could say that time and space
> and
> life--as I mentioned in an earlier posting--are the closest to being
> absolute
> truths, since most every human recognizes their existence (albeit in
> different
> ways).  For the most part, though, we all operate on relative truth, that
> which each of us *believes* to be true.  The key word here is belief.  We
> can't *know* truth; the best we can do is *believe* it.  Science, for
> example,
> is not based on truth.  It is based on facts.  Facts simply represent an
> absence of falsehood.  We can *know* facts; we don't have to believe them.
> Of
> course, this knowledge does contribute to the formation of individual
> "realities," but realities based on knowledge rather than truth.  For
> example,
> with my scientist's hat on, I believe nothing, because belief does not
> require
> evidence.  (In science we require evidence in order to make factual
> statements.)  In my scientist mode, then, do I have a sense of reality?
> Of
> course, but it is a different kind of reality than that of a believer.
> Can
> one wear both the scientist's hat and the believer's hat at the same time?
> Sure.  Science doesn't have all the answers to reality.  Scott
>
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>>Hi Bernie,
>>
>>I think Lanza would say that "reality" is relative (wonder about origin of
>>this word - from the Latin "to carry back") to the perceiver, although I
>>would guess dogs perceive a dog-centered or as Amanda Phillips put it a
>>"biscuit-centered" universe, while humans experience a reality that is
>>also
>>common, yet different for each person based on their experience.  As you
>>might imagine, I tend to agree with you.
>>Ray
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>>From: "Bernard Barber Ph.D." <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:38 AM
>>Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe
>>
>>
>>> Hi Scott and Ray,
>>>
>>> Good for you regarding; Dr.Lanza's article. Now what is a good
>>> definition
>>> of
>>> "Reality". It seems to me that all knowledge is relative to the human
>>> experience. It is driving force for the continuation of the human quest.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Bernie
>>>
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>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of rayilynlee
>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:18 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe
>>>
>>> Scott:
>>> Lanza was the researcher who did the gene biopsy type study that showed
>>> that
>>> one cell could be taken without destroying the blastocyst.  His work
>>> became
>>> the subject of much argument.
>>>
>>> I think what he meant was that space and time is how we experience
>>> consciousness.  Certainly before we were born or existed we experienced
>>> neither.  I think his idea that all living creatures are bound by
>>> themselves
>>> is a good one.  For example, it is difficult especially with respect to
>>> religion to escape anthropomorphism whether you are a believer or not.
>>> I'm
>>> guessing my dog Spike does not see the issue in the same way I do.  We
>>> are
>>> both restricted by who and what we are.
>>>
>>> I only posted this because Lanza is a stem cell researcher and I thought
>>> his
>>> ideas were interesting.
>>> Ray
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott E. Antes" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe
>>>
>>>
>>>>I wanted to say something earlier, but too many students this semester!
>>>>I'm
>>>> not sure what this has to do with PD, but: I do not know Dr. Lanza, nor
>>>> have I
>>>> read his work, so I am going strictly by the interview posted on this
>>>> list.
>>>> This is not--by any stretch of the imagination--a biocentric universe.
>>>> Biology is a relative latecomer to the big picture.  Plus, of all
>>>> matter
>>>> that
>>>> exists in our universe, biology makes up only a tiny fraction.  Most of
>>>> the
>>>> universe is void of life, and--as best we know--always has been.
>>>>
>>>> If Dr. Lanza is saying that we humans basically construct and
>>>> reconstruct
>>>> our
>>>> universe (actually, our *notion* of the universe) as we gain more
>>>> knowledge
>>>> and understanding of it--and as previous notions get pushed aside, then
>>>> all of
>>>> us in the scientific community would agree.  It's all a matter of
>>>> operating
>>>> under the current paradigm (either social or scientific).
>>>>
>>>> Time and space.  Time and space and life are about the only three
>>>> absolute
>>>> truths in existence.  The devout Buddhist might say that even these are
>>>> simply
>>>> illusion.  Thus, humans define these terms in all sorts of cultural
>>>> ways.
>>>> Whether illusion or truth, we practical people have to recognize that
>>>> we
>>>> work
>>>> within their infinite borders.  Infinite for time and space, that is.
>>>> Not
>>>> for
>>>> life.  Life begins and ends, whereas time and space do not.  A
>>>> biocentric
>>>> universe?  Hardly.
>>>>
>>>> Scott Antes
>>>>
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>>>>I think Dr.  Lanza is one smart guy.  I never did believe "time" was
>>>>real.
>>>>Ray
>>>>
>>>> Scott E. Antes
>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>> Northern Arizona University
>>>> Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5200
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