Motion picture health and welfare , Ray.
my total bill (including the infection, was 130,000 bucks. AS I recall  my insurance  paid about 80K, I paid $500.

Charlie

--- On Sat, 9/5/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Federalist Papers
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 2:38 PM
> I have to admit, I have never read
> The Federalist Papers and can't find the book in my
> library.  perhaps,  Charlie, you could quote some
> significant passages for us.  They were never among the
> required 600+ plus history book reading  list for my
> Masters, I guess and while teaching I pretty much taught the
> finished product itself and its history.
> 
> I  like Medicare -it along with my secondary 
> provided by the school district forced to give it to me by
> the teachers union, paid for my 2 DBSs - no paperwork at
> all.  You know how much a  DBS costs I am
> sure.  What kind of insurance paid for yours, Charlie?
> 
> I do read and watch ALL sides and I always have.
> 
> Ray
> 
> Rayilyn Brown
> Director AZNPF
> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> [log in to unmask]
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Black Charles" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:52 AM
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Faux News
> 
> > My suggeestion is to listen and read as  much as
> you can from all sides. With all the rhetoric flying around,
> thats hard to do.
> > 
> > Some observaations:
> > 1.We are headed for bankrupcy, high inflation will be
> the first indicator.
> > 2. The Federal government has NO demostrated expertise
> in running big programs. See the post offiice, VEterans
> health care and MEdicare  as examples.
> > 3. the CBO estimates that by 2015 (I think) the
> INTEREST ONLY on our debt will be 306 BILLION per year.
> > 
> >  Ray;
> > 
> > the Constitution is a great document to be sure. I
> think   though that the courts and the
> Congress have trampled states rights and the limitations
> designed into it. One only needs to read the writings of our
> founding fathers to become aware  of that!
> > 
> > Charlie
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: Faux News
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 2:20 AM
> >> Tess
> >> 
> >> my big argument with Glenn Beck of Faux News is
> that
> >> he calls progressives socialists, communists,
> Marxists, etc
> >> and condemns the movement in the early 20th
> century
> >> that brought us the initiative, referendum and
> recall on the
> >> state level, and on the national level the direct
> election
> >> of senators, the vote for women, the FDA, etc.
> >> 
> >> No one is calling him on his big distortion of the
> facts.
> >> 
> >> Apparently lies work as people believe him. At a
> Tea
> >> Party Rally today I saw a "Glenn Beck for
> President" sign.
> >> 
> >> Ray
> >> 
> >> Rayilyn Brown
> >> Director AZNPF
> >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >> 
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "tess owens" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:46 AM
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: Re: Healthcare throughout the world
> >> 
> >> > Thank you Ray! How refreshing, an informative
> and
> >> useful article that
> >> > addresses the health care issue, without the
> slanted
> >> and derogatory right wing
> >> > hype.
> >> > My family appreciates your input on the list
> and how
> >> you advocate for change!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Big Thanks!
> >> > hugs to you and Spike
> >> > Tess
> >> > ps
> >> > regarding:
> >> > "PT Barnum Was Right"
> >> > News Hounds
> >> > We watch FOX so you don't have to.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fox News Proves That PT Barnum Was Right!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There is an old adage, attributed to PT
> Barnum, that
> >> "there's a sucker born every minute." History
> informs
> >> > us that it was spoken in connection with
> Barnum's
> >> Cardiff Giant hoax.
> >> > It seems that Fox News is a good example of
> Barnum's
> >> wisdom as there
> >> > was one such sucker born recently.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Earlier this week, I reported on
> >> > Tennessee Democrat, Fred Hobbs, who suspected
> that
> >> Barack Obama was
> >> > connected to terrorism because he heard it on
> Fox
> >> News. Well, it seems
> >> > that in a letter of apology, to the
> Tennessee
> >> Democratic Executive Committee, Mr. Hobbs realizes
> that he
> >> got schnookered:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "I was not as well prepared as I should have
> been when
> >> speaking with reporters,
> >> >
> >> > and I should have taken more time to research
> Senator
> >> Obama's positions. My
> >> > comments did reflect questions I had after
> what I had
> >> seen reported on
> >> > Fox News, but I should have taken some time
> to check
> >> the accuracy of
> >> > what I saw on television before speaking
> publicly. My
> >> statement that Senator Obama "may be
> terrorist-connected"
> >> was incorrect, and I apologize for making it."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Too bad other Fox viewers aren't checking
> for
> >> accuracy; because, if
> >> > they did, they would discover that they, too,
> are
> >> being punked by a
> >> > bunch of carnival barkers and clowns who,
> literally
> >> speaking, represent
> >> > the greatest "show" (hoax) on earth.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tip of the hat to Think Progress
> >> >
> >> > ;)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:11:54 -0400
> >> >> From: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> Subject: Re: Healthcare throughout the
> world
> >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, Ray, for this informative
> article. I
> >> think posts like this are
> >> >> excellent because they focus on
> information and
> >> informed commentary, rather
> >> >> than regurgitation of hyped-up scare
> tactics and
> >> orchestrated
> >> >> misinformation. It is well for us to
> recheck
> >> our facts from multiple
> >> >> sources and be prepared to offer some
> rebuttal for
> >> all the junk that is
> >> >> flying around out there.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rick Mcgirr
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange
> Network
> >> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> On Behalf Of rayilynlee
> >> >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:54 AM
> >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> Subject: Healthcare throughout the world
> >> >>
> >> >> Healthcare Facts
> >> >>
> >> >> By T.R. Reid
> >> >>
> >> >> Sunday, August 23, 2009
> >> >>
> >> >> <> As Americans search for the cure
> to what
> >> ails our health-care system,
> >> >> we've overlooked an invaluable source of
> ideas and
> >> solutions: the rest of<>
> >> >> the world. All the other industrialized
> >> democracies have faced problems
> >> >> like ours, yet they've found ways to
> cover
> >> everybody -- and still spend
> >> >> far less than we do.
> >> >>
> >> >> <> I've traveled the world from
> Oslo to
> >> Osaka to see how other developed
> >> >> democracies provide health care. Instead
> of
> >> dismissing these models as<>
> >> >> "socialist," we could adapt their
> solutions to fix
> >> our problems. To do that,
> >> >> we first have to dispel a few myths about
> health
> >> care abroad:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. It's all socialized medicine out
> there.
> >> >>
> >> >> <> Not so. Some countries, such as
> Britain,
> >> New Zealand and Cuba, do provide
> >> >> health care in government hospitals, with
> the
> >> government paying the bills.<>
> >> >> Others -- for instance, Canada and Taiwan
> -- rely
> >> on private-sector
> >> >> providers, paid for by government-run
> insurance.
> >> But many wealthy<>
> >> >> countries -- including Germany, the
> Netherlands,
> >> Japan and Switzerland --
> >> >> provide universal coverage using private
> doctors,
> >> private hospitals and<>
> >> >> private insurance plans. In some ways,
> >> health care is less "socialized"
> >> >> overseas than in the United <>
> States.
> >> Almost all Americans sign up for
> >> >> government insurance (Medicare) at age
> 65. In
> >> Germany, Switzerland and the
> >> >> Netherlands, seniors stick with<>
> private
> >> insurance plans for life.
> >> >> Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of
> Veterans
> >> Affairs is one of the planet's
> >> >> purest examples of government-run
> >> >> health care.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2. Overseas, care is rationed through
> >> limited choices or long lines.
> >> >>
> >> >> <> Generally, no. Germans can sign
> up for
> >> any of the nation's 200 private
> >> >> health insurance plans -- a broader
> choice than
> >> any American has. If a<>
> >> >> German doesn't like her insurance
> company, she can
> >> switch to another, with
> >> >> no increase in premium. The Swiss, too,
> can choose
> >> any insurance plan in<>
> >> >> the country.
> >> >> In France and Japan, you don't get a
> choice
> >> of insurance provider; you have
> >> >> to use the one designated for your
> company or your
> >> industry.<> But patients
> >> >> can go to any doctor, any hospital, any
> >> traditional healer. There no U.S.
> >> >> -style limits such as "in-network" lists
> of
> >> doctors or <>
> >> >> "pre-authorization" for surgery. You pick
> any
> >> doctor, you get treatment --
> >> >> and insurance has to
> pay.<>Canadians have
> >> their choice of providers. In
> >> >> Austria and Germany, if a doctor
> diagnoses a
> >> person as "stressed," medical
> >> >> insurance pays for weekends at a health
> >> spa.<>
> >> >> <><> As for those notorious
> waiting
> >> lists, some countries are indeed plagued
> >> >> by them. Canada makes patients wait weeks
> or
> >> months for nonemergency care,
> >> >> as
> >> >> a way to keep costs down. But studies by
> the
> >> Commonwealth Fund and others
> >> >> report that many nations -- Germany,
> Britain,
> >> Austria -- outperform the<>
> >> >> United States on measures such as waiting
> times
> >> for appointments and for
> >> >> elective surgeries. In Japan,
> >> waiting times are so short that most
> >> >> patients don't bother to make an
> appointment. One
> >> Thursday morning in Tokyo,
> >> >> I called the<> prestigious
> orthopedic clinic
> >> at Keio University Hospital to
> >> >> schedule a consultation about my aching
> >> shoulder. "Why don't you just drop
> >> >> by?" the receptionist said. That same
> afternoon, I
> >> was in the surgeon's
> >> >> office. Dr. Nakamichi<> recommended
> an
> >> operation. "When could we do it?" I
> >> >> asked. The doctor checked his computer
> and said,
> >> "Tomorrow would be pretty
> >> >> difficult. Perhaps some day next
> >> week?"
> >> >>
> >> >> 3. Foreign health-care systems are
> inefficient,
> >> bloated bureaucracies.
> >> >>
> >> >> <>Much less so than here. It may
> seem to
> >> Americans that U.S.-style free
> >> >> enterprise -- private-sector, for-profit
> health
> >> insurance -- is naturally<>
> >> >> the most cost-effective way to pay for
> health
> >> care. But in fact, all the
> >> >> other payment systems are more efficient
> than
> >> ours. <>U.S. health insurance
> >> >> companies have the highest administrative
> costs in
> >> the world; they spend
> >> >> roughly 20 cents of every dollar for
> >> nonmedical<>costs, such as paperwork,
> >> >> reviewing claims and marketing. France's
> health
> >> insurance industry, in
> >> >> contrast, covers everybody and spends
> about
> >> 4<> percent on administration.
> >> >> Canada's universal insurance system, run
> by
> >> government bureaucrats, spends 6
> >> >> percent on administration. In Taiwan,
> a<>
> >> leaner version of the Canadian
> >> >> model has administrative costs of 1.5
> >> percent; one year, this figure
> >> >> ballooned to 2 percent, and the
> opposition
> >> <>parties savaged the government
> >> >> for wasting money. The world champion at
> >> controlling medical costs is
> >> >> Japan, even though its <>aging
> >> population is a profligate consumer of
> >> >> medical care. On average, the Japanese go
> to
> >> the doctor 15 times a year,
> >> >> three times the U.S. rate. They<>
> have twice
> >> as many MRI scans and X-rays.
> >> >> Quality is high; life expectancy and
> recovery
> >> rates for major diseases are
> >> >> better than in the United<> States.
> And yet
> >> Japan spends about $3,400 per
> >> >> person annually on health care; the
> United
> >> States spends more than $7,000.
> >> >>
> >> >> 4. Cost controls stifle innovation.
> >> >>
> >> >> <>False. The United States is home
> to
> >> groundbreaking medical research, but
> >> >> so are other countries with much lower
> cost
> >> structures. Any American who's<>
> >> >> had a hip or knee replacement is standing
> on
> >> French innovation. Deep-brain
> >> >> stimulation to treat depression is a
> Canadian
> >> breakthrough. Many of the<>
> >> >> wonder drugs promoted endlessly on
> American
> >> television, including Viagra,
> >> >> come from British, Swiss or Japanese
> labs.<>
> >> Overseas, strict cost controls
> >> >> actually drive innovation. In the United
> >> States, an MRI scan of the neck
> >> >> region costs about $1,500. In Japan,
> the<>
> >> identical scan costs $98. Under
> >> >> the pressure of cost controls, Japanese
> >> researchers found ways to perform
> >> >> the same diagnostic technique for
> >> >> one-fifteenth the American price. (And
> Japanese
> >> labs still make a profit.)
> >> >>
> >> >> 5. Health insurance has to be cruel.
> >> >>
> >> >> <> Not really. American health
> insurance
> >> companies routinely reject
> >> >> applicants with a "preexisting condition"
> --
> >> precisely the people most<>
> >> >> likely to need the insurers' service.
> They employ
> >> armies of adjusters to
> >> >> deny claims. If a customer is hit by a
> truck and
> >> faces big medical bills,
> >> >> the insurer's "rescission department"
> digs through
> >> the records looking for<>
> >> >> grounds to cancel the policy, often while
> the
> >> victim is still in the
> >> >> hospital. The companies say they have to
> do this
> >> stuff to survive in a tough
> >> >> business. Foreign health insurance
> >> companies, in contrast, must accept
> >> >> all<> applicants, and they can't
> cancel as
> >> long as you pay your premiums.
> >> >> The plans are required to pay any claim
> submitted
> >> by a doctor or hospital
> >> >> (or health spa), usually within tight
> time limits.
> >> The big Swiss insurer<>
> >> >> Groupe Mutuel promises to pay all claims
> within
> >> five days. "Our customers
> >> >> love it," the group's chief executive
> told me. The
> >> corollary is that
> >> >> everyone is mandated to buy insurance, to
> give the
> >> plans an adequate pool of
> >> >> rate-payers.<> The key difference
> is that
> >> foreign health insurance plans
> >> >> exist only to pay people's medical bills,
> not to
> >> make a profit. The United
> >> >> States is the only developed country that
> lets
> >> insurance companies profit
> >> >> from basic health coverage.<> In
> many ways,
> >> foreign health-care models are
> >> >> not really "foreign" to America, because
> our
> >> crazy-quilt health-care system
> >> >> uses elements of all of them. For Native
> Americans
> >> or veterans, we're
> >> >> Britain: The government<> provides
> health
> >> care, funding it through general
> >> >> taxes, and patients get no bills. For
> people who
> >> get insurance through their
> >> >> jobs, we're Germany:<> Premiums are
> split
> >> between workers and employers, and
> >> >> private insurance plans pay private
> doctors and
> >> hospitals. For people over
> >> >> 65, we're Canada:<> Everyone pays
> premiums
> >> for an insurance plan run by the
> >> >> government, and the public plan pays
> private
> >> doctors and hospitals according
> >> >> to a set fee<> schedule. And for
> the tens of
> >> millions without insurance
> >> >> coverage, we're Burundi or Burma: In the
> world's
> >> poor nations, sick people
> >> >> pay out of
> >> >> pocket for medical care; those who can't
> pay
> >> stay sick or die.
> >> >>
> >> >> <> This fragmentation is another
> reason that
> >> we spend more than anybody else
> >> >> and still leave millions without
> coverage. All the
> >> other developed<>
> >> >> countries have settled on one model for
> >> health-care delivery and finance;
> >> >> we've blended them all into a costly,
> confusing
> >> bureaucratic mess.<> Which,
> >> >> in turn, punctures the most persistent
> myth of
> >> all: that America has "the
> >> >> finest health care" in the world. We
> don't. In
> >> terms of results,<> almost
> >> >> all advanced countries have better
> national health
> >> statistics than the
> >> >> United States does. In terms of finance,
> we force
> >> 700,000 Americans<> into
> >> >> bankruptcy each year because of medical
> bills. In
> >> France, the number of
> >> >> medical bankruptcies is zero. Britain:
> zero.
> >> Japan: zero. Germany: zero.
> >> >>
> >> >> <>Given our remarkable medical
> assets -- the
> >> best-educated doctors and
> >> >> nurses, the most advanced hospitals,
> world-class
> >> research -- the United<>
> >> >> States could be, and should be, the best
> in the
> >> world. To get there, though,
> >> >> we have to be willing to learn some
> lessons about
> >> health-care administration
> >> >> from the other industrialized
> democracies.
> >> >>
> >> >> > T.R. Reid, a former Washington Post
> reporter,
> >> is the author of "The
> >> >>
> >> >> > Healing of America: A Global Quest
> for
> >> Better, Cheaper, and Fairer > Health
> >> >>
> >> >> > Care," to be published Monday.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Rayilyn Brown
> >> >> Director AZNPF
> >> >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson
> Foundation
> >> >> [log in to unmask]
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