Oop's wrong address,  just replace the bk with dm .....sorry :(

-----Original Message----- 
From: David McMurray
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 10:51 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania!

I agree, Mary Ann, and the lines go beyond this website.  We have learned to
not offer opinions till asked, and then only when pressed.. I didn't think
my original comment about that OK guy would prompt this debate.  Anyone who
wants to contact me, can do so at [log in to unmask]

Dave


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mary Ann Ryan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:02 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania!

This topic has been discussed on this list over and over again.  I suggest
that we move on and agree to disagree.  David, there will be no 'give' in
the response from those who disagree with you.  No one will attempt to
answer your questions if it gives credibility to your argument.

Each camp will remain firmly entrenched.  I doubt that anyone's mind will be
changed.  My husband, a Ph.D. Physical Chemist died because of PD but would
never have considered a stem cell implant for ethical reasons.  That's how
he felt.  Others on this list would choose any treatment that could
potentially work.  I've come to the conclusion that there will be no middle
ground when it comes to ESCR.
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Mary Ann (CG Jamie 68/28 with PD, died 11/20/07)

> When I first responded to the comments concerning the OK politician, it 
> was because I too, thought his proposal was ridiculous.  I didn't realize 
> that Meg had been the brunt of some radical's actions.  But  when Ray said 
> let's discuss the issue, I subsequently asked those questions.  I don't 
> know Dr. Prentice, and used his testimony in the context of supporting 
> gov't. and other entity's documentation.  His credibility shouldn't be the 
> issue if those are legitimate questions based on scientific conclusion.
>
> The reason I asked questions is because I am not qualified to answer any 
> of them.  So far, there has been no one who has answered questions 1--6, 
> with supporting documentation.  Are those questions true or false?
>
> I respect your opinion on when a human being begins life.   But at the 
> moment of conception, it is my understanding that an incredible event 
> occurs; a one of a kind stamp that will carry that individual's identity 
> from that moment and will survive his or her own death: DNA.  Am I wrong, 
> does DNA come along sometime later in the development of the "fetus"?  If 
> there is science that refutes my understanding of when DNA is established, 
> I'd appreciate seeing it.
>
> The lines seem to be clearly drawn.  My wife and I have several friends 
> who have had abortions, and I understand why they are passionate about 
> this issue.  We can't judge them nor do we think they are murderers.  We 
> love them and have enjoyed their friendship for years.  They know where we 
> stand; I believe that life does begin at conception, (no debate 
> necessary).  Like I said before, it seems that those in favor of abortion 
> are also for ESCR, and visa versa.
>
> I was diagnosed with PD 7 years ago, and have been taking a supplement for 
> about 2 years now.  It has been adequately vented on this site, but it 
> deals with Adult Stem cell Nutrients.   I've seen a degrading PD 
> progression turn around and in some cases completely reverse the symptom. 
> My worsening resting tremor in my left thumb is now gone; my shuffling, 
> forward leaning gate is now a heel-toe upright walk.  My energy and 
> strength levels have improved.
>
> You may not have been on this site when I thought I was spreading good 
> news about a product that had helped me in my fight against PD.  The 
> response was less than positive, and I realized that there was a lot of 
> animosity based, I guess, on years of experience some of the members had 
> with so called "cures".  Some said I was just trying to get rich (I'm not 
> looking for a job) off the sick, that the placebo effect was in play; that 
> this is what keeps "faith healers" in business, etc.  And finally; "it 
> won't last". Well, it's been good for me for a little under 2 years now, 
> so if it doesn't last, I at least have enjoyed the improvement so far.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
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