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no, you put your opinions in - if someone can't keep their temper that's their problem. > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:44:37 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Info vs. Opinion
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> I'll try harder to keep my opinion out of my posts.. I thought the Myths
> and Facts posting was a good one for info although some would disagree. I
> still would like to see the "death panels" for over 70 year olds quotes in
> Obamacare. I can't find it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick McGirr
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>
> Fair enough. I'm staying, but will keep my input as gentle as possible. I've
> heard it enough times. Political discussion is not appropriate. Ok.
>
> Rick McGirr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Ryan
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>
> Please don't misunderstand what I've written, Dave. I also love to banter
> with the opposition about political issues and do so on a very regular
> basis. However, this forum is not the place because too many people are
> already frustrated by the burden of PD. There are other PD lists where this
> kind of discussion would be welcome. I've been here since 1995 or so I've
> seen a lot of disagreement in a variety of right/left political
> discussions. It has only led to people leaving. Since I believe that the
> purpose of the list is to inform the participants about old and new
> therapies I believe a politics should be left out of the mix.
> ----------
> Mary Ann
>
>
>
> > Mary Ann:
> >
> > Well stated, and It's obvious that that my comments are not really
> > welcomed in this forum....I have not initiated the subject matter, but
> > have felt that, if someone else has, that I had an obligation or right
> > to present my views. I don't want to frustrate or cause any problems for
> > those on this site. I am one of the few more fortunate pd patients in
> > that I am still functioning fairly well, and the symptoms in many
> > areas have actually regressed to some extent.
> >
> > My response to the above question has, (as is usually the case)
> > brought further posts that I consider political, but fair game in this
> > forum....however, I am going to take Tony's advise and "take my
> > Politics elsewhere". The question is, Tony, does that include
> > everyone, or just conservatives like me?
> >
> > I've been a member of this austere group for a couple years, and have
> > enjoyed the robust jousting with my liberal counter-parts. It has
> > been most stimulating...but since I have been sent information from
> > management on how to unsubscribe, I feel it is timely, and will do so
> > after this post.
> >
> > Although we may be miles apart in our world views, we do have one
> > thing in common, and my wife and I hope and pray every day that PD
> > will be conquered and all will return to a more normal lifestyle.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary Ann Ryan
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >
> > Sigh!!!! To everyone who has addressed my post.............
> >
> > Who votes for any party or president because of a single issue??
> > There is so much more to Romney and Obama than health care -
> > particularly when it comes to PD research?
> >
> > On one side we have a major change occurring in health care that, I
> > promise you, will not be friendly to the people on this list. If you
> > are over the age of 70 and have a chronic illness, there will be
> > restrictions as to what therapies will be made available to you.
> > Those changes in health care will occur because of Obama.
> >
> > If Romney is elected, the conservative approach to stem cell research
> > will probably remain in place - but challenges to the proposed health
> > care legislation will also occur. That will mean that limitations in
> > treatment will not go forward, to the benefit of PWP and other
> > chronic diseases.ly
> >
> > Pick your poison.
> >
> > Dave, Ray and Rick have consistently been for stem cell research and
> > thus against the Republican party platform regarding pro-life issues.
> > They have made that very clear. What is going to change? In the
> > meantime, people who prefer to not engage in politics are going to
> > want to leave the list because of the vitriol that always develops in
> > these discussions. It has happened before.
> > --------
> > Mary Ann
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David McMurray" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >
> >
> >> Mary Ann, I have promised not to initiate political debate, but when
> >> it is introduced, should I not respond? I realize I most likely am
> >> in the minority, (unless there is a "silent majority") :) on this
> >> site. And at our age, the die, I'm sure is cast. But when Ray or
> >> Nic post a question or a statement that crosses the line into the
> >> political arena, that is when I attempt to express my views on the
> >> subject.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mary Ann Ryan
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:42 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>
> >> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum. No
> >> one wins - and no one's mind is changed.
> >> ---------
> >> Mary Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> and thanks for responding. I guess you fear Obama has death panels
> >>> in store for us, right? So what do you suggest for health care?
> >>>
> >>> At one time in history feudalism was a "better" system. Capitalism
> >>> and industralization definitely led to human progress;
> >>> non-industial societies don't do very well. But is this the end of
> >>> the line? The best we can do? I specifically asked why profit had
> >>> to be a part of health care and you did not address that question.
> >>>
> >>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr.
> >>> Obama. The repeal of the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment and
> >>> commercial banking in one institution led to the financial breakdown.
> >>> It had kept us safe since the 1930's
> >>>
> >>> I for one am tired of hearing about the superiority of the United
> >>> States. For your information DBS was first done by a French doctor.
> >>> ProSavin is only being done in the UK and France.
> >>>
> >>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a
> >>> phony one. What matters is who is in the government not how big or
> >>> small it is. For the past few decades Republicans have gotten
> >>> control of many state governments. Witness the retrogressive,
> >>> extremist legislation they are producing or attempting to produce,
> >>> personhood laws, bans on collective bargaining, invasive vaginal
> >>> exams, voter suppression, anti-abortion, stand your ground, etc. Talk
> >>> about Big Brother!!!!
> >>>
> >>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for that
> >>> matter. We ignore them at our peril.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: David McMurray
> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>>
> >>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in general,
> >>> profit has made this country the most prosperous, with the highest
> >>> standard of living, in the history of mankind. Instead of a system,
> >>> like the Soviet Union and others that shared and share equally in
> >>> scarcity, (which increases human suffering and a poverty standard of
> >>> living), our Free Market economy has done just the opposite. And if
> >>> we can reverse the direction that Mr.
> >>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for
> >>> those who want to work hard and improve their lot in life.
> >>>
> >>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can or
> >>> cannot be treated for. I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of
> >>> Experts that will eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have the
> >>> power to deem an individual unfit for further treatment, or a
> >>> specific treatment, (based on economic concerns, i.e., what's the
> >>> cost/benefit factor.) Obama has mentioned the fact that the rising
> >>> cost of Care is directly related to the increased numbers of the
> >>> Senior population and the expensive treatment for serious illnesses
> >>> common to them. Denying treatment is going to be a major
> >>> cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be"
> >>> Unthinkable", but has become "Thinkable", soon to be
> >>> "Acceptable".....all done for the "common good".
> >>>
> >>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):)
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>>
> >>> I just heard Romney’s address to the NRA. he said Obama is
> >>> destroying our economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose
> >>> our own health care),
> >>> and the constitution . The Declaration of Independence god-given
> >>> rights
> >>> was also cited.
> >>>
> >>> What kind of a life does one have with Parkinson’s?
> >>>
> >>> Is a cure going to come from the free market which sees no profit
> >>> in a cure, the churches, or the NRA?
> >>>
> >>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our
> >>> health care?
> >>>
> >>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A
> >>> CURE FOR PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE “JOB CREATORS”!!
> >>>
> >>> Please, I beg you, don’t return us to the past.
> >>>
> >>> Ray
> >>> Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Past Director AZNPF
> >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> >>>
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August 2003, Week 5 August 2003, Week 4 August 2003, Week 3 August 2003, Week 2 August 2003, Week 1 July 2003, Week 5 July 2003, Week 4 July 2003, Week 3 July 2003, Week 2 July 2003, Week 1 June 2003, Week 5 June 2003, Week 4 June 2003, Week 3 June 2003, Week 2 June 2003, Week 1 May 2003, Week 5 May 2003, Week 4 May 2003, Week 3 May 2003, Week 2 May 2003, Week 1 April 2003, Week 5 April 2003, Week 4 April 2003, Week 3 April 2003, Week 2 April 2003, Week 1 March 2003, Week 5 March 2003, Week 4 March 2003, Week 3 March 2003, Week 2 March 2003, Week 1 February 2003, Week 4 February 2003, Week 3 February 2003, Week 2 February 2003, Week 1 January 2003, Week 5 January 2003, Week 4 January 2003, Week 3 January 2003, Week 2 January 2003, Week 1 December 2002, Week 5 December 2002, Week 4 December 2002, Week 3 December 2002, Week 2 December 2002, Week 1 November 2002, Week 5 November 2002, Week 4 November 2002, Week 3 November 2002, Week 2 November 2002, Week 1 October 2002, Week 5 October 2002, Week 4 October 2002, Week 3 October 2002, Week 2 October 2002, Week 1 September 2002, Week 5 September 2002, Week 4 September 2002, Week 3 September 2002, Week 2 September 2002, Week 1 August 2002, Week 5 August 2002, Week 4 August 2002, Week 3 August 2002, Week 2 August 2002, Week 1 July 2002, Week 5 July 2002, Week 4 July 2002, Week 3 July 2002, Week 2 July 2002, Week 1 June 2002, Week 5 June 2002, Week 4 June 2002, Week 3 June 2002, Week 2 June 2002, Week 1 May 2002, Week 5 May 2002, Week 4 May 2002, Week 3 May 2002, Week 2 May 2002, Week 1 April 2002, Week 5 April 2002, Week 4 April 2002, Week 3 April 2002, Week 2 April 2002, Week 1 March 2002, Week 5 March 2002, Week 4 March 2002, Week 3 March 2002, Week 2 March 2002, Week 1 February 2002, Week 4 February 2002, Week 3 February 2002, Week 2 February 2002, Week 1 January 2002, Week 5 January 2002, Week 4 January 2002, Week 3 January 2002, Week 2 January 2002, Week 1 December 2001, Week 5 December 2001, Week 4 December 2001, Week 3 December 2001, Week 2 December 2001, Week 1 November 2001, Week 5 November 2001, Week 4 November 2001, Week 3 November 2001, Week 2 November 2001, Week 1 October 2001, Week 5 October 2001, Week 4 October 2001, Week 3 October 2001, Week 2 October 2001, Week 1 September 2001, Week 5 September 2001, Week 4 September 2001, Week 3 September 2001, Week 2 September 2001, Week 1 August 2001, Week 5 August 2001, Week 4 August 2001, Week 3 August 2001, Week 2 August 2001, Week 1 July 2001, Week 5 July 2001, Week 4 July 2001, Week 3 July 2001, Week 2 July 2001, Week 1 June 2001, Week 5 June 2001, Week 4 June 2001, Week 3 June 2001, Week 2 June 2001, Week 1 May 2001, Week 5 May 2001, Week 4 May 2001, Week 3 May 2001, Week 2 May 2001, Week 1 April 2001, Week 5 April 2001, Week 4 April 2001, Week 3 April 2001, Week 2 April 2001, Week 1 March 2001, Week 5 March 2001, Week 4 March 2001, Week 3 March 2001, Week 2 March 2001, Week 1 February 2001, Week 4 February 2001, Week 3 February 2001, Week 2 February 2001, Week 1 January 2001, Week 5 January 2001, Week 4 January 2001, Week 3 January 2001, Week 2 January 2001, Week 1 December 2000, Week 5 December 2000, Week 4 December 2000, Week 3 December 2000, Week 2 December 2000, Week 1 November 2000, Week 5 November 2000, Week 4 November 2000, Week 3 November 2000, Week 2 November 2000, Week 1 October 2000, Week 5 October 2000, Week 4 October 2000, Week 3 October 2000, Week 2 October 2000, Week 1 September 2000, Week 5 September 2000, Week 4 September 2000, Week 3 September 2000, Week 2 September 2000, Week 1 August 2000, Week 5 August 2000, Week 4 August 2000, Week 3 August 2000, Week 2 August 2000, Week 1 July 2000, Week 5 July 2000, Week 4 July 2000, Week 3 July 2000, Week 2 July 2000, Week 1 June 2000, Week 5 June 2000, Week 4 June 2000, Week 3 June 2000, Week 2 June 2000, Week 1 May 2000, Week 5 May 2000, Week 4 May 2000, Week 3 May 2000, Week 2 May 2000, Week 1 April 2000, Week 5 April 2000, Week 4 April 2000, Week 3 April 2000, Week 2 April 2000, Week 1 March 2000, Week 5 March 2000, Week 4 March 2000, Week 3 March 2000, Week 2 March 2000, Week 1 February 2000, Week 5 February 2000, Week 4 February 2000, Week 3 February 2000, Week 2 February 2000, Week 1 January 2000, Week 5 January 2000, Week 4 January 2000, Week 3 January 2000, Week 2 January 2000, Week 1 December 1999, Week 5 December 1999, Week 4 December 1999, Week 3 December 1999, Week 2 December 1999, Week 1 November 1999, Week 5 November 1999, Week 4 November 1999, Week 3 November 1999, Week 2 November 1999, Week 1 October 1999, Week 5 October 1999, Week 4 October 1999, Week 3 October 1999, Week 2 October 1999, Week 1 September 1999, Week 5 September 1999, Week 4 September 1999, Week 3 September 1999, Week 2 September 1999, Week 1 August 1999, Week 5 August 1999, Week 4 August 1999, Week 3 August 1999, Week 2 August 1999, Week 1 July 1999, Week 5 July 1999, Week 4 July 1999, Week 3 July 1999, Week 2 July 1999, Week 1 June 1999, Week 5 June 1999, Week 4 June 1999, Week 3 June 1999, Week 2 June 1999, Week 1 May 1999, Week 5 May 1999, Week 4 May 1999, Week 3 May 1999, Week 2 May 1999, Week 1 April 1999, Week 5 April 1999, Week 4 April 1999, Week 3 April 1999, Week 2 April 1999, Week 1 March 1999, Week 5 March 1999, Week 4 March 1999, Week 3 March 1999, Week 2 March 1999, Week 1 February 1999, Week 4 February 1999, Week 3 February 1999, Week 2 February 1999, Week 1 January 1999, Week 5 January 1999, Week 4 January 1999, Week 3 January 1999, Week 2 January 1999, Week 1 December 1998, Week 5 December 1998, Week 4 December 1998, Week 3 December 1998, Week 2 December 1998, Week 1 November 1998, Week 5 November 1998, Week 4 November 1998, Week 3 November 1998, Week 2 November 1998, Week 1 October 1998, Week 5 October 1998, Week 4 October 1998, Week 3 October 1998, Week 2 October 1998, Week 1 September 1998, Week 5 September 1998, Week 4 September 1998, Week 3 September 1998, Week 2 September 1998, Week 1 August 1998, Week 5 August 1998, Week 4 August 1998, Week 3 August 1998, Week 2 August 1998, Week 1 July 1998, Week 5 July 1998, Week 4 July 1998, Week 3 July 1998, Week 2 July 1998, Week 1 June 1998, Week 5 June 1998, Week 4 June 1998, Week 3 June 1998, Week 2 June 1998, Week 1 May 1998, Week 5 May 1998, Week 4 May 1998, Week 3 May 1998, Week 2 May 1998, Week 1 April 1998, Week 5 April 1998, Week 4 April 1998, Week 3 April 1998, Week 2 April 1998, Week 1 March 1998, Week 5 March 1998, Week 4 March 1998, Week 3 March 1998, Week 2 March 1998, Week 1 February 1998, Week 5 February 1998, Week 4 February 1998, Week 3 February 1998, Week 2 February 1998, Week 1 January 1998, Week 5 January 1998, Week 4 January 1998, Week 3 January 1998, Week 2 January 1998, Week 1 December 1997, Week 5 December 1997, Week 4 December 1997, Week 3 December 1997, Week 2 December 1997, Week 1 November 1997, Week 5 November 1997, Week 4 November 1997, Week 3 November 1997, Week 2 November 1997, Week 1 October 1997, Week 5 October 1997, Week 4 October 1997, Week 3 October 1997, Week 2 October 1997, Week 1 September 1997, Week 5 September 1997, Week 4 September 1997, Week 3 September 1997, Week 2 September 1997, Week 1 August 1997, Week 5 August 1997, Week 4 August 1997, Week 3 August 1997, Week 2 August 1997, Week 1 July 1997, Week 5 July 1997, Week 4 July 1997, Week 3 July 1997, Week 2 July 1997, Week 1 June 1997, Week 5 June 1997, Week 4 June 1997, Week 3 June 1997, Week 2 June 1997, Week 1 May 1997, Week 5 May 1997, Week 4 May 1997, Week 3 May 1997, Week 2 May 1997, Week 1 April 1997, Week 5 April 1997, Week 4 April 1997, Week 3 April 1997, Week 2 April 1997, Week 1 March 1997, Week 5 March 1997, Week 4 March 1997, Week 3 March 1997, Week 2 March 1997, Week 1 February 1997, Week 5 February 1997, Week 4 February 1997, Week 3 February 1997, Week 2 February 1997, Week 1 January 1997, Week 5 January 1997, Week 4 January 1997, Week 3 January 1997, Week 2 January 1997, Week 1 December 1996, Week 5 December 1996, Week 4 December 1996, Week 3 December 1996, Week 2 December 1996, Week 1 November 1996, Week 5 November 1996, Week 4 November 1996, Week 3 November 1996, Week 2 November 1996, Week 1 October 1996, Week 5 October 1996, Week 4 October 1996, Week 3 October 1996, Week 2 October 1996, Week 1 September 1996, Week 5 September 1996, Week 4 September 1996, Week 3 September 1996, Week 2 September 1996, Week 1 August 1996, Week 5 August 1996, Week 4 August 1996, Week 3 August 1996, Week 2 August 1996, Week 1 July 1996, Week 5 July 1996, Week 4 July 1996, Week 3 July 1996, Week 2 July 1996, Week 1 June 1996, Week 5 June 1996, Week 4 June 1996, Week 3 June 1996, Week 2 June 1996, Week 1 May 1996, Week 5 May 1996, Week 4 May 1996, Week 3 May 1996, Week 2 May 1996, Week 1 April 1996, Week 5 April 1996, Week 4 April 1996, Week 3 April 1996, Week 2 April 1996, Week 1 March 1996, Week 5 March 1996, Week 4 March 1996, Week 3 March 1996, Week 2 March 1996, Week 1 February 1996, Week 5 February 1996, Week 4 February 1996, Week 3 February 1996, Week 2 February 1996, Week 1 January 1996, Week 5 January 1996, Week 4 January 1996, Week 3 January 1996, Week 2 January 1996, Week 1 December 1995, Week 5 December 1995, Week 4 December 1995, Week 3 December 1995, Week 2 December 1995, Week 1 November 1995, Week 5 November 1995, Week 4 November 1995, Week 3 November 1995, Week 2 November 1995, Week 1 October 1995, Week 5 October 1995, Week 4 October 1995, Week 3 October 1995, Week 2 October 1995, Week 1 September 1995, Week 5 September 1995, Week 4 September 1995, Week 3 September 1995, Week 2 September 1995, Week 1 August 1995, Week 5 August 1995, Week 4 August 1995, Week 3 August 1995, Week 2 August 1995, Week 1 July 1995, Week 5 July 1995, Week 4 July 1995, Week 3 July 1995, Week 2 July 1995, Week 1 June 1995, Week 5 June 1995, Week 4 June 1995, Week 3 June 1995, Week 2 June 1995, Week 1 May 1995, Week 5 May 1995, Week 4 May 1995, Week 3 May 1995, Week 2 May 1995, Week 1 April 1995, Week 5 April 1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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