no, you put your opinions in - if someone can't keep their temper that's their problem. > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:44:37 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Info vs. Opinion
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
> I'll try harder to  keep  my  opinion out of  my posts.. I thought the Myths 
> and Facts posting was a good one for info  although some would disagree.  I 
> still would like to see the "death panels" for over 70 year olds quotes in 
> Obamacare.  I can't find it.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rick McGirr
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> 
> Fair enough. I'm staying, but will keep my input as gentle as possible. I've 
> heard it enough times. Political discussion is not appropriate. Ok.
> 
> Rick McGirr
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Ryan
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> 
> Please don't misunderstand what I've written, Dave.  I also love to banter 
> with the opposition about political issues and do so on a very regular 
> basis.  However, this forum is not the place because too many people are 
> already frustrated by the burden of PD.  There are other PD lists where this 
> kind of discussion would be welcome.  I've been here since 1995 or so I've 
> seen a lot of disagreement in  a variety of right/left political 
> discussions.  It has only led to people leaving.  Since I believe that the 
> purpose of the list is to inform the participants about old and new 
> therapies I believe a politics should be left out of the mix.
> ----------
> Mary Ann
> 
> 
> 
> > Mary Ann:
> >
> > Well stated, and It's obvious that that my comments are not really
> > welcomed in this forum....I have not initiated the subject matter, but
> > have felt that, if someone else has, that I had an obligation or right
> > to present my views.  I don't want to frustrate or cause any problems for
> > those on this site.   I am one of the few more fortunate pd patients in
> > that I am still functioning fairly well, and the symptoms in many
> > areas have actually regressed to some extent.
> >
> > My response to the above question has, (as is usually the case)
> > brought further posts that I consider political, but fair game in this
> > forum....however, I am going to take Tony's advise and "take my
> > Politics elsewhere".  The question is, Tony, does that include
> > everyone, or just conservatives like me?
> >
> > I've been a member of this austere group for a couple years, and have
> > enjoyed the robust jousting with my liberal counter-parts.  It has
> > been most stimulating...but since I have been sent information from
> > management on how to unsubscribe, I feel it is timely, and will do  so
> > after this post.
> >
> > Although we may be miles apart in our world views, we do have one
> > thing in common, and my wife and I hope and pray every day that PD
> > will be conquered and all will return to a more normal lifestyle.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary Ann Ryan
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >
> > Sigh!!!!  To everyone who has addressed my post.............
> >
> > Who votes for any party or president because of a single issue??
> > There is so much more to Romney and Obama than health care -
> > particularly when it comes to PD  research?
> >
> > On one side we have a major change occurring in health care that, I
> > promise you, will not be friendly to the people on this list.  If you
> > are over the age of 70 and have a chronic illness, there will be
> > restrictions as to what therapies will be made available to you.
> > Those changes in health care will occur because of Obama.
> >
> > If Romney is elected, the conservative approach to stem cell research
> > will probably remain in place - but challenges to the proposed health
> > care legislation will also occur.  That will mean that limitations in
> > treatment will not go forward, to the benefit of  PWP and other
> > chronic diseases.ly
> >
> > Pick your poison.
> >
> > Dave, Ray and Rick have consistently been for stem cell research and
> > thus against the Republican party platform regarding pro-life issues.
> > They have made that very clear.  What is going to change?  In the
> > meantime, people who prefer to not engage in politics are going to
> > want to leave the list because of the vitriol that always develops in
> > these discussions.  It has happened before.
> > --------
> > Mary Ann
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David McMurray" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >
> >
> >> Mary Ann, I have promised not to initiate political debate, but when
> >> it is introduced, should I not respond?  I realize I most likely am
> >> in the minority, (unless there is a "silent majority") :) on this
> >> site.  And at our age, the die, I'm sure is cast.  But when Ray or
> >> Nic post a question or a statement that crosses the line into the
> >> political arena, that is when I attempt to express my views on the 
> >> subject.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mary Ann Ryan
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:42 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>
> >> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum.  No
> >> one wins - and no one's mind is changed.
> >> ---------
> >> Mary Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> and thanks for responding.  I guess you fear Obama has death panels
> >>> in store for us, right?  So what do you suggest for health care?
> >>>
> >>> At one time in history  feudalism was a  "better" system.   Capitalism
> >>> and industralization  definitely led to human progress;
> >>> non-industial societies don't do very well.  But is this the end of
> >>> the  line?  The best we can do? I specifically asked why profit had
> >>> to be a part of health care and you did not address that question.
> >>>
> >>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr.
> >>> Obama. The repeal of  the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment and
> >>> commercial banking in one institution led to the financial breakdown.
> >>> It had kept us safe since the 1930's
> >>>
> >>> I for one  am tired of hearing about the superiority of the  United
> >>> States. For your information  DBS was first done by a French doctor.
> >>> ProSavin is only being  done in the UK and France.
> >>>
> >>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a
> >>> phony one. What matters is who is in  the government not how big or
> >>> small it is.  For the past few decades  Republicans have gotten
> >>> control  of  many state governments.  Witness the retrogressive,
> >>> extremist legislation they are producing or attempting to produce,
> >>> personhood laws, bans on collective bargaining, invasive vaginal
> >>> exams, voter suppression, anti-abortion, stand your ground, etc.  Talk 
> >>> about Big Brother!!!!
> >>>
> >>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for that
> >>> matter.   We ignore them at our peril.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: David McMurray
> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>>
> >>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in general,
> >>> profit has made this country the most prosperous, with the highest
> >>> standard of living, in the history of mankind.  Instead of a system,
> >>> like the Soviet Union and others that shared and share equally in
> >>> scarcity, (which increases human suffering and a poverty standard of
> >>> living), our Free Market economy has done just the opposite.  And if
> >>> we can reverse the direction that Mr.
> >>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for
> >>> those who want to work hard and improve their lot in life.
> >>>
> >>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can or
> >>> cannot be treated for.  I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of
> >>> Experts that will eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have the
> >>> power to deem an individual unfit for further treatment, or a
> >>> specific treatment, (based on economic concerns, i.e., what's the
> >>> cost/benefit factor.)  Obama has mentioned the fact that the rising
> >>> cost of Care is directly related to the increased numbers of the
> >>> Senior population and the expensive treatment for serious illnesses
> >>> common to them.  Denying treatment is going to be a major
> >>> cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be"
> >>> Unthinkable", but has become "Thinkable", soon to be
> >>> "Acceptable".....all done for the "common good".
> >>>
> >>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):)
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>>
> >>> I just heard Romney’s address to the NRA.  he said Obama is
> >>> destroying our economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose
> >>> our own health care),
> >>> and the constitution .   The Declaration of Independence god-given
> >>> rights
> >>> was also cited.
> >>>
> >>> What kind of a  life does one have with Parkinson’s?
> >>>
> >>> Is a cure going to come from the free  market which sees no profit
> >>> in a cure, the churches, or the NRA?
> >>>
> >>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our
> >>> health care?
> >>>
> >>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A
> >>> CURE FOR PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE “JOB CREATORS”!!
> >>>
> >>> Please, I beg you, don’t return us to the past.
> >>>
> >>> Ray
> >>> Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Past Director AZNPF
> >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> >>>
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