Good grief Anna, lighten up. This is ut-admins.

>Now I finally get to the adjective "clueless". I have no idea where Tom
>Glinos was brought up, it was not the sys-admin school I attended for
>sure, and I protest his implied statement that "sys-admins" and "public 
>insults" go together.  

Anna read Daves email VERY carefully. He implied no insult, and neither do I.
He just said that they were ignorant of the details on Oracle licensing
in an academic environment. There was no dispersion on anybodies abilities.

Alas, I am self taught when it comes to my profession, there were no schools
in existence at the time. There therefore rely on my classical training.
As to the word "clueless" this comes from the OED:

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clued up

clued (up) ppl. adj., informed, knowldgeable. slang.

     1948 N. Shute No Highway v. 115 We've got to jump at this decision, now... We can clue up
     the official side later. 

     1955 J. I. M. Stewart Guardians 121 He's well clued up in all the Fontanay stuff. 

     1958 E. H. Clements Uncommon Cold i. 16 Keep me clued up about Remin's doings. 

     1958 J. D. MacDonald Executioners (1959) viii. 135 Usually I can come up with a clue. But
     I draw a big blank. Clue me, Louie. 

     1958 Ottawa Citizen 11 June 29/1 One officer described him as a `well-clued technical
     officer, well up on advanced mathematics, physics and electronics...' 

     1959 C. MacInnes Absol. Beginners 59 Clue me then, teenager. My big ears are flapping. 

     1959 C. MacInnes Absol. Beginners 64 You meet all kinds of cats..who can clue you up in
     all kinds of directions. 

     1970 R. Crawford Kiss Boss Goodbye ii. vi. 94 `I don't know,' I said. `Are you clued?'
     `Nope.'
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There is no derisive or insulting reference in any of the above, in fact
they are all comical.

Have a nice day Anna.

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