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Hi Charlie,
You are right, religion is a big part of my life also but will not push
it on to others, unless I am asked for my point of view. We all have a
delete button. Janice
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles T. Meyer, M.D. <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: NON-PD: English please
> Greg,
>
> I'm sorry my English was not to your liking and if I wasn't clear I am
> sorry- if double talk referred to my syntax rather than my argument.
My
> syntax does tend to get tangled at times and did in that letter).
>
> I was responding to Bob Anibal not to you. My thesaurus gives as
synonyms
> of debate- "argument" and "disagreement" There is a slight difference
> between the two- a shade of meaning.
>
> My point about religion as having a place on the list has to do with the
> central role it plays in many people's lives. As I believe Murph asked-
> ":You wouldn't put a ban on talking about Sinemet would you?" His faith
is
> that central to him. While don't share his views on religion, his faith
in
> his mind is inseparable from his PD. I am against censoring any view. I
> will argue with him when he and I disagree- which is often- but I will
> defend his RIGHT to discuss it here. If the subject is too controversial
> and will cause too much of a conflict I would be willing to take it off
list
> VOLUNTARILY but IMHO it belongs here.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Sterling <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 12:08 PM
> Subject: NON-PD: English please
>
>
> > Charlie,
> >
> > Talk about double-talk. English please! Better check your dictionary
for
> > the correct definition of debate and argument and stop relying on your
own
> > interpretation.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
**************************************************************************
> >
> > From: Charles T. Meyer, M.D. <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 12:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: RELIGION and the list
> >
> >
> > >Bob,
> > >
> > >The problem with your statement is what is debate and what is argument.
> I
> > >think that everything except attacks directed at an individual should
be
> > >fair game. The problem even with this is what crosses the line.
Heated
> > >debate can easily push these limits and get people angry. It is just
a
> > >small jump from saying your logic is faulty from saying you are
> illogical.
> > >As long as a person is not being harassed off LIST with unwanted email
> and
> > >they are following the rules of the list as far as using headings to
> > >minimize offense that might be taken by someone who chooses not to
> > >participate I agree that the discussions (or arguments should be
allowed
> on
> > >the list.)
> > >
> > >And Janet your observation is quite revealing- that this legend still
> stirs
> > >feeling today. I think that- as I said before- that adults should have
> > >unrestricted debate and contact with all views. If we don't accept
that
> > >then we become anti-democratic. It should be each of our choices about
> > what
> > >we read and discuss. The statement proposes to limit that
availability
> > >even with almost unlimited access to the airwaves at this point in
time.
> > >(Balance was an issue when there were only a few stations available in
> each
> > >market).
> > >
> > >Let us try to be inclusive rather than exclusive on our list, respect
> > >everyone's views and their right to hold them. But, if some PWP's are
> so
> > >upset by this that they can't handle it they have the right to opt out.
> If
> > >volume is your problem then use the filters Janet has provided for us
or
> > >those on your own mail program. If you don't know how to use them then
> ask
> > >someone.
> > >
> > >
> > >Charlie
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Bob Anibal <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:40 AM
> > >Subject: Re: RELIGION and the list
> > >
> > >
> > >> There are , I feel, large differences between discussions, debates
and
> > >> arguments. The first is or can be educational and everybody wins the
> > >others
> > >> often get heated and no-win
> > >> Bob A
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: janet paterson <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:37 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: RELIGION and the list
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > hi all
> > >> >
> > >> > At 21:46 1999/11/14 -0500, greg wrote, in part:
> > >> > >... but cannot see the relevance of religion and its impact
> > >> > >onpersonal innerpeace...
> > >> >
> > > PD other than to give some sort of > > i personally found the
diagnosis
> of
> > >pd and my acceptance of same
> > >> > a real "wake-up-and-smell-the-coffee call"
> > >> > i started looking at my priorities pretty hard then
> > >> > and am still making adjustments
> > >> >
> > >> > i think that a diagnosis of any condition
> > >> > which is chronic and incurable and degenerative
> > >> > would affect most people in similar ways;
> > >> > it's a profound and intimate and solitary
> > >> > not to mention frightening event/trauma/realization
> > >> > to have to come to grips with;
> > >> > any or all of which qualities would probably
> > >> > send most people scurrying to their 'creed' for comfort
> > >> >
> > >> > >I try to avoid discussions on religion and politics because they
> > >> > >are both no-win situations. As proof I only need to refer to the
> > >> > >much heated debate on the subject...
> > >> >
> > >> > what is it about a heated debate
> > >> > that make you feel it's a no-win situation?
> > >> >
> > >> > someone here once described a "vigourous discussion"
> > >> > as something like "aerobics for the mind"
> > >> >
> > >> > >I only started to question the religion posts to prove a point to
> > >> > >myself about the raw nerve religious debate touches in people...
> > >> >
> > >> > not in everyone, surely? and not every debate?
> > >> >
> > >> > >I also did it to try and provoke some emotion out of
> > >> > >what I felt were some fairly bland discussions....
> > >> >
> > >> > hey
> > >> > wait a minute
> > >> > have you not just contradicted yourself,
> > >> > or gone full circle,or fulfilled your own prophecies
> > >> > or am i missing something here?
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. religious discussions are no-win; the proof being
> > >> > 2. the heated debate which developed on the list
> > >> > 3. religious debates touch raw nerves in people
> > >> > 4. the religious discussions on the list were so bland
> > >> > 5. that you actively provoked emotions
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > janet
> > >> >
> > >> > whose religious birth-right comprised
> > >> > a protestant mother
> > >> > assisted by a catholic doctor
> > >> > in a jewish hospital
> > >> >
> > >
>
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Week 4 June 1999, Week 3 June 1999, Week 2 June 1999, Week 1 May 1999, Week 5 May 1999, Week 4 May 1999, Week 3 May 1999, Week 2 May 1999, Week 1 April 1999, Week 5 April 1999, Week 4 April 1999, Week 3 April 1999, Week 2 April 1999, Week 1 March 1999, Week 5 March 1999, Week 4 March 1999, Week 3 March 1999, Week 2 March 1999, Week 1 February 1999, Week 4 February 1999, Week 3 February 1999, Week 2 February 1999, Week 1 January 1999, Week 5 January 1999, Week 4 January 1999, Week 3 January 1999, Week 2 January 1999, Week 1 December 1998, Week 5 December 1998, Week 4 December 1998, Week 3 December 1998, Week 2 December 1998, Week 1 November 1998, Week 5 November 1998, Week 4 November 1998, Week 3 November 1998, Week 2 November 1998, Week 1 October 1998, Week 5 October 1998, Week 4 October 1998, Week 3 October 1998, Week 2 October 1998, Week 1 September 1998, Week 5 September 1998, Week 4 September 1998, Week 3 September 1998, Week 2 September 1998, Week 1 August 1998, Week 5 August 1998, Week 4 August 1998, Week 3 August 1998, Week 2 August 1998, Week 1 July 1998, Week 5 July 1998, Week 4 July 1998, Week 3 July 1998, Week 2 July 1998, Week 1 June 1998, Week 5 June 1998, Week 4 June 1998, Week 3 June 1998, Week 2 June 1998, Week 1 May 1998, Week 5 May 1998, Week 4 May 1998, Week 3 May 1998, Week 2 May 1998, Week 1 April 1998, Week 5 April 1998, Week 4 April 1998, Week 3 April 1998, Week 2 April 1998, Week 1 March 1998, Week 5 March 1998, Week 4 March 1998, Week 3 March 1998, Week 2 March 1998, Week 1 February 1998, Week 5 February 1998, Week 4 February 1998, Week 3 February 1998, Week 2 February 1998, Week 1 January 1998, Week 5 January 1998, Week 4 January 1998, Week 3 January 1998, Week 2 January 1998, Week 1 December 1997, Week 5 December 1997, Week 4 December 1997, Week 3 December 1997, Week 2 December 1997, Week 1 November 1997, Week 5 November 1997, Week 4 November 1997, Week 3 November 1997, Week 2 November 1997, Week 1 October 1997, Week 5 October 1997, Week 4 October 1997, Week 3 October 1997, Week 2 October 1997, Week 1 September 1997, Week 5 September 1997, Week 4 September 1997, Week 3 September 1997, Week 2 September 1997, Week 1 August 1997, Week 5 August 1997, Week 4 August 1997, Week 3 August 1997, Week 2 August 1997, Week 1 July 1997, Week 5 July 1997, Week 4 July 1997, Week 3 July 1997, Week 2 July 1997, Week 1 June 1997, Week 5 June 1997, Week 4 June 1997, Week 3 June 1997, Week 2 June 1997, Week 1 May 1997, Week 5 May 1997, Week 4 May 1997, Week 3 May 1997, Week 2 May 1997, Week 1 April 1997, Week 5 April 1997, Week 4 April 1997, Week 3 April 1997, Week 2 April 1997, Week 1 March 1997, Week 5 March 1997, Week 4 March 1997, Week 3 March 1997, Week 2 March 1997, Week 1 February 1997, Week 5 February 1997, Week 4 February 1997, Week 3 February 1997, Week 2 February 1997, Week 1 January 1997, Week 5 January 1997, Week 4 January 1997, Week 3 January 1997, Week 2 January 1997, Week 1 December 1996, Week 5 December 1996, Week 4 December 1996, Week 3 December 1996, Week 2 December 1996, Week 1 November 1996, Week 5 November 1996, Week 4 November 1996, Week 3 November 1996, Week 2 November 1996, Week 1 October 1996, Week 5 October 1996, Week 4 October 1996, Week 3 October 1996, Week 2 October 1996, Week 1 September 1996, Week 5 September 1996, Week 4 September 1996, Week 3 September 1996, Week 2 September 1996, Week 1 August 1996, Week 5 August 1996, Week 4 August 1996, Week 3 August 1996, Week 2 August 1996, Week 1 July 1996, Week 5 July 1996, Week 4 July 1996, Week 3 July 1996, Week 2 July 1996, Week 1 June 1996, Week 5 June 1996, Week 4 June 1996, Week 3 June 1996, Week 2 June 1996, Week 1 May 1996, Week 5 May 1996, Week 4 May 1996, Week 3 May 1996, Week 2 May 1996, Week 1 April 1996, Week 5 April 1996, Week 4 April 1996, Week 3 April 1996, Week 2 April 1996, Week 1 March 1996, Week 5 March 1996, Week 4 March 1996, Week 3 March 1996, Week 2 March 1996, Week 1 February 1996, Week 5 February 1996, Week 4 February 1996, Week 3 February 1996, Week 2 February 1996, Week 1 January 1996, Week 5 January 1996, Week 4 January 1996, Week 3 January 1996, Week 2 January 1996, Week 1 December 1995, Week 5 December 1995, Week 4 December 1995, Week 3 December 1995, Week 2 December 1995, Week 1 November 1995, Week 5 November 1995, Week 4 November 1995, Week 3 November 1995, Week 2 November 1995, Week 1 October 1995, Week 5 October 1995, Week 4 October 1995, Week 3 October 1995, Week 2 October 1995, Week 1 September 1995, Week 5 September 1995, Week 4 September 1995, Week 3 September 1995, Week 2 September 1995, Week 1 August 1995, Week 5 August 1995, Week 4 August 1995, Week 3 August 1995, Week 2 August 1995, Week 1 July 1995, Week 5 July 1995, Week 4 July 1995, Week 3 July 1995, Week 2 July 1995, Week 1 June 1995, Week 5 June 1995, Week 4 June 1995, Week 3 June 1995, Week 2 June 1995, Week 1 May 1995, Week 5 May 1995, Week 4 May 1995, Week 3 May 1995, Week 2 May 1995, Week 1 April 1995, Week 5 April 1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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