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Charlie,
Talk about double-talk. English please! Better check your dictionary for
the correct definition of debate and argument and stop relying on your own
interpretation.
Greg
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From: Charles T. Meyer, M.D. <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: RELIGION and the list
>Bob,
>
>The problem with your statement is what is debate and what is argument. I
>think that everything except attacks directed at an individual should be
>fair game. The problem even with this is what crosses the line. Heated
>debate can easily push these limits and get people angry. It is just a
>small jump from saying your logic is faulty from saying you are illogical.
>As long as a person is not being harassed off LIST with unwanted email and
>they are following the rules of the list as far as using headings to
>minimize offense that might be taken by someone who chooses not to
>participate I agree that the discussions (or arguments should be allowed on
>the list.)
>
>And Janet your observation is quite revealing- that this legend still stirs
>feeling today. I think that- as I said before- that adults should have
>unrestricted debate and contact with all views. If we don't accept that
>then we become anti-democratic. It should be each of our choices about
what
>we read and discuss. The statement proposes to limit that availability
>even with almost unlimited access to the airwaves at this point in time.
>(Balance was an issue when there were only a few stations available in each
>market).
>
>Let us try to be inclusive rather than exclusive on our list, respect
>everyone's views and their right to hold them. But, if some PWP's are so
>upset by this that they can't handle it they have the right to opt out. If
>volume is your problem then use the filters Janet has provided for us or
>those on your own mail program. If you don't know how to use them then ask
>someone.
>
>
>Charlie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bob Anibal <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:40 AM
>Subject: Re: RELIGION and the list
>
>
>> There are , I feel, large differences between discussions, debates and
>> arguments. The first is or can be educational and everybody wins the
>others
>> often get heated and no-win
>> Bob A
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: janet paterson <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: RELIGION and the list
>>
>>
>> > hi all
>> >
>> > At 21:46 1999/11/14 -0500, greg wrote, in part:
>> > >... but cannot see the relevance of religion and its impact
>> > >onpersonal innerpeace...
>> >
> PD other than to give some sort of > > i personally found the diagnosis of
>pd and my acceptance of same
>> > a real "wake-up-and-smell-the-coffee call"
>> > i started looking at my priorities pretty hard then
>> > and am still making adjustments
>> >
>> > i think that a diagnosis of any condition
>> > which is chronic and incurable and degenerative
>> > would affect most people in similar ways;
>> > it's a profound and intimate and solitary
>> > not to mention frightening event/trauma/realization
>> > to have to come to grips with;
>> > any or all of which qualities would probably
>> > send most people scurrying to their 'creed' for comfort
>> >
>> > >I try to avoid discussions on religion and politics because they
>> > >are both no-win situations. As proof I only need to refer to the
>> > >much heated debate on the subject...
>> >
>> > what is it about a heated debate
>> > that make you feel it's a no-win situation?
>> >
>> > someone here once described a "vigourous discussion"
>> > as something like "aerobics for the mind"
>> >
>> > >I only started to question the religion posts to prove a point to
>> > >myself about the raw nerve religious debate touches in people...
>> >
>> > not in everyone, surely? and not every debate?
>> >
>> > >I also did it to try and provoke some emotion out of
>> > >what I felt were some fairly bland discussions....
>> >
>> > hey
>> > wait a minute
>> > have you not just contradicted yourself,
>> > or gone full circle,or fulfilled your own prophecies
>> > or am i missing something here?
>> >
>> > 1. religious discussions are no-win; the proof being
>> > 2. the heated debate which developed on the list
>> > 3. religious debates touch raw nerves in people
>> > 4. the religious discussions on the list were so bland
>> > 5. that you actively provoked emotions
>> >
>> >
>> > janet
>> >
>> > whose religious birth-right comprised
>> > a protestant mother
>> > assisted by a catholic doctor
>> > in a jewish hospital
>> >
>
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December 1996, Week 3 December 1996, Week 2 December 1996, Week 1 November 1996, Week 5 November 1996, Week 4 November 1996, Week 3 November 1996, Week 2 November 1996, Week 1 October 1996, Week 5 October 1996, Week 4 October 1996, Week 3 October 1996, Week 2 October 1996, Week 1 September 1996, Week 5 September 1996, Week 4 September 1996, Week 3 September 1996, Week 2 September 1996, Week 1 August 1996, Week 5 August 1996, Week 4 August 1996, Week 3 August 1996, Week 2 August 1996, Week 1 July 1996, Week 5 July 1996, Week 4 July 1996, Week 3 July 1996, Week 2 July 1996, Week 1 June 1996, Week 5 June 1996, Week 4 June 1996, Week 3 June 1996, Week 2 June 1996, Week 1 May 1996, Week 5 May 1996, Week 4 May 1996, Week 3 May 1996, Week 2 May 1996, Week 1 April 1996, Week 5 April 1996, Week 4 April 1996, Week 3 April 1996, Week 2 April 1996, Week 1 March 1996, Week 5 March 1996, Week 4 March 1996, Week 3 March 1996, Week 2 March 1996, Week 1 February 1996, Week 5 February 1996, Week 4 February 1996, Week 3 February 1996, Week 2 February 1996, Week 1 January 1996, Week 5 January 1996, Week 4 January 1996, Week 3 January 1996, Week 2 January 1996, Week 1 December 1995, Week 5 December 1995, Week 4 December 1995, Week 3 December 1995, Week 2 December 1995, Week 1 November 1995, Week 5 November 1995, Week 4 November 1995, Week 3 November 1995, Week 2 November 1995, Week 1 October 1995, Week 5 October 1995, Week 4 October 1995, Week 3 October 1995, Week 2 October 1995, Week 1 September 1995, Week 5 September 1995, Week 4 September 1995, Week 3 September 1995, Week 2 September 1995, Week 1 August 1995, Week 5 August 1995, Week 4 August 1995, Week 3 August 1995, Week 2 August 1995, Week 1 July 1995, Week 5 July 1995, Week 4 July 1995, Week 3 July 1995, Week 2 July 1995, Week 1 June 1995, Week 5 June 1995, Week 4 June 1995, Week 3 June 1995, Week 2 June 1995, Week 1 May 1995, Week 5 May 1995, Week 4 May 1995, Week 3 May 1995, Week 2 May 1995, Week 1 April 1995, Week 5 April 1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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