Listers! I am not sure what transpired regardinfg Ivan and the list before and really don't want to know. Howver, I feel the posts belittling and JUDGING him are not the way to handle anyone or anything. It sounds to me as though he DOE"S have genuine problems. Isn't tjhis the place meant as support for ALL of us? The mud slinging even with the cutsy grins and giggles really are not very productive. That said! Let us all be a little more charitable with our opinions! JuanitaCG for George73dx98