Oh dear, oh dear listfriends, Here we go AGAIN!!! Trying to create ANOTHER listwar?? Obviously Ivan still feels the need every now and then to state his point of view about his ongoing disagreement with the NPF. So what!!?? If you dont want to read it, just delete it!! As long as the listowner allows him to post it, he can post it. Obviously Barb P. sees no reason to stop these postings. The responses to Ivan have been very personal. Also the tone is very hostile. If some people think Ivan's post is annoying to others, why do they start sending annoying posts themselves?? Shouldn't these replies be considered as flaming?? Why are we falling into the same pittfalls over and over again?? Just stop responding!! if you don't like the subject. End of subject!! Hans.