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Hi All, In our local Health Food store I saw a new book called the "Vegetarian Manifesto" by Jay Fothergill. It was sponsored by an organization called EarthSave Canada which is apparently a local BC group. They have a website...... http://www.earthsave.bc.ca/home/index.html http://www.earthsave.bc.ca/events/index.html http://www.earthsave.bc.ca/articles/index.html Some of the research in the book and some of the info on their site is quite thought provoking... *World Hunger* Number of people who will die as a result of malnutrition and starvation this year - 20,000,000 Number of people who could be fed if North America reduced their intake of beef by 10% - 100,000,000 *Energy and Water Consumption* Calories of fossil fuel expended to produce 1 calorie of protein from beef - 78 Calories of fossil fuel expended to produce 1 calorie of protein from soybeans - 2 Activity that accounts for more than half of all water consumed for all purposes in the U.S. - Livestock Production *Pesticides* Major Sources of Pesticide residues in the Western diet - Meat, poultry, dairy products. Obviously these guys are pro veggies and anti beef. That said, are the figures they use legitimate?? It has the desired "jolt" when I read this stuff. Can it be verified?? What do you guys think?? All the best .......... murray [log in to unmask]