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IVAN all of us on this board have experienced our share of trevail. it is fair to air your frustrations on this board, but this board cannot and should not be used as a BULLY PULPIT. it is a real shame that you spend so much of your energy dwelling on the past. you have much to contribute, but your constant protestations on the same subject diminishes the value of this contribution. please reconsider your stance, and begin to look at the glass as half full rather than half empty. murph 57/9