Thank you, Murray, I will read the material you mention. I
think I reacted as strongly as I did because:
1.) The obvious-I'm a PWP.
2.) I'm a nurse, and like all the good nurses I know, a
patient advocate.
3.) I still haven't gotten over standing beside my Dad's
bed
in the hospital where he would die several years later(My
father, I realize now, had undiagnosed PD, along with a
multitude of other medical problems), while an arrogant
S.O.B. of an M.D. tried to convince my family that we
wanted a DNR order. I told him to ask my father, who was
still very capable of making his own decisions. This was my
first lesson in how invisible the disabled can become. My
Dad spent his last years in a wheelchair, and people were
constantly talking to the family member who was with him,
instead of to him. My Dad did not suffer fools gladly. He
had a wicked sense of humor and used it unsparingly to
deflate the egos of pompous fools. When he finally fell
silent, I knew he really WAS dying.
Take Care, Carole
--- Murray Charters <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On 29 Jan 00 at 11:36, Carole Hercun wrote:
>
> > My gut reaction is that this is a truly terrifying
> > scenario.
> > Every PWP's worst nightmare...that they will end up
> locked
> > inside a body made of stone, while they are trapped
> inside
> > kicking and screaming to get out and nobody able to
> hear
> > them. Also, as a member of the medical establishment, I
> > don't understand what's going on here. WHY are these
> > doctors, nurses, etc. riding roughshod over this
> family's
> > wishes? Ignoring ethical considerations, the situation
> > doesn't even make sense as far as their lability is
> > concerned, given today's litigious society. And this
> > happened in CANADA? Carole
> >
>
> Hi Carole,
> This did indeed happen in Canada in the last coupla
> years.... It was
> well covered by the media as it is sensational and
> controversial. It's
> not quite as cut n'dried as Jack Kevorkian & Mike Wallace
> on 60 Min.
> however....
>
> We assume Dr's. training includes becoming familiar with
> applicable
> living will statutes as well as the ethical issues
> surrounding
> termination of life support, do-not-resuscitate orders,
> and informed
> consent. We assume Dr's. training includes a review of
> current criteria
> for the clinical diagnosis of brain death.
>
> Read these papers and think about it.........
>
> Do-Not-Resuscitate Orders Must Be Clear and Present -
> 1996 (USA)
>
http://news.medscape.com/jobson/MedTribNews/1996/sep/11/NoNotResuscitate
> Orders.html
>
> Canadian Medical Association - Jan. 27th. '98
> Court verdict "splendid," ethics professor says...
> http://www.cma.ca/cmaj/vol-158/issue-2/0159a.htm
>
> Canadian physicians now operate under a revised Code of
> Ethics 10/98
> http://www.cma.ca/cmaj/vol%2D155/issue%2D8/1148.htm
>
> Discussion Paper on this particular case courtesy of
> The Centre for Renewal in Public Policy
> http://www.centreforrenewal.ca/lex-23.html
>
> News Archive - Nov. 13th. '98
> http://www.canoe.ca/NewsArchiveNov98/candigest_nov13.html
> Judge lifts do-not-resuscitate order -- for now Scroll
> down to....
> WINNIPEG (CP) -- A judge has lifted an involuntary
> do-not-resuscitate
> order doctors put on a 79-year-old man in a Winnipeg
> hospital.
>
> The Manitoba League of Persons with Disabilities (MLPD)
> Feb. '98
> http://www.pcs.mb.ca/~ccd/lw12298.html
>
> Manitoba League MLPD speaks out....... Dec. 23rd. '98
> http://www.pcs.mb.ca/~ccd/lw231298.html
>
> Provincial Health Ethics Network reprint...
> This article first appeared in the Winnipeg Free Press -
> Nov. 18 '98
>
http://www.phen.ab.ca/materials/intouch/vol2/intouch2-01.html
>
> Death in Winnipeg - from the Fraser Institute...
>
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/publications/forum/1999/01/death.html
>
> Canadian Medical Association - March23rd. 1999
> http://www.cma.ca/cmaj/vol-160/issue-6/0869.htm
>
> Ethics in Law
> Scroll down to: When Can Physicians Say No?
>
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:cpa.medical.org/pubs/bulletin/featu
> res.htm
>
> Winnipeg DNR man goes home - July '99
>
http://www.lifesite.net/interim/1999/july/acrosscanada.html
>
> Canadian Bioethics Report, August 1999: Court Decisions
> Scroll down to: Sawatzky v. Riverview Health Centre Inc.
> (Update)
> http://www.cma.ca/cbr/aug99/court.htm
>
> I recall reading of Mr. Sawatsky's death late in the fall
> of 1999
>
> Carole, there's a lot more here than meets the
> eye.........
>
> regards ............. murray
>
> [log in to unmask]
>
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