I would like to add a more thoughtful response to my brief reaction yesterday. First, regarding the Brock University situation-- Of course, there are political realities that all of us face. Those two lecture courses, with follow-up seminars, could possibly be helpful to some students. However, the important issue is that the administration and faculty should not think that because they are providing these courses, they have no further responsibility regarding writing. They should encourage writing in all disciplines, in all years of university--and establish a Writing Centre. In other words, one might tolerate the two regressive aspects of the proposed courses--focusing on grammar and lecturing to large classes--if there are better initiatives as well. To Victoria Littman-- I would agree with Henry that Writing Centres should be academic and that Writing Centre supervisors should be faculty, not support staff (a battle I am still fighting!). And you are right: marginalization of the Writing Centre and large lectures on writing both come from the same misunderstanding of writing (sometimes an intentional misunderstanding because of a focus on the "bottom line"). I recommend an article by Mike Rose, "The Language of Exclusion: Writing Instruction at the University," in Negotiating Academic Literacies (eds. Vivian Zamel and Ruth Spack). I have highlighted portions of it and sent it to busy administrators.(I don't yet know whether that had a negative or positive effect, however!) Best wishes to you both, from one who is still struggling with all of these issues, Roberta Supervisor, Writing Centre University of New Brunswick, Saint John P.O. Box 5050 Saint John, NB E2L 4L5 Fax: (506) 648-5528 Phone: (506) 648-5502 Email: [log in to unmask] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, the annual conference, and publications, go to the Inkshed Web site at http://www.StThomasU.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-