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Well, the Norwich inventory does pair "apis skinns" with an "angel cote," but I
took it to be a contrast.  Perhaps not.  That's a very interesting possibility.

Alan B.

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Lawrence M. Clopper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
                Sent:   Wednesday, February 16, 2000 8:53 AM
                To:     [log in to unmask]
                Subject:        Re: "Apis skinns"?

                I don't remember where this idea came from, but I thought that
the apis
                skinnes were the lower body covering of the angels.  They would
have wings
                above and a shaggy lower body (instead of feathers).  Check the
                iconography.

                                                Larry Clopper

                On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tiner, Elza wrote:

                > However, at some point the apes would die and their skins
might be available
                > then, no?
                >
                > Elza C. Tiner
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Baragona, Alan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
                > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:25 PM
                > To: [log in to unmask]
                > Subject: Re: "Apis skinns"?
                >
                >
                > This surprises me.  It's very interesting.  I would think,
though, that apes
                > would be too rare and precious, having their own wards even,
to skin or that
                > such skins would make it into the inventory of a guild in a
rural township.
                > What do we know about apes in England?
                >
                >                 -----Original Message-----
                >                 From:   Tiner, Elza
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
                >                 Sent:   Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:29 PM
                >                 To:     [log in to unmask]
                >                 Subject:        Re: "Apis skinns"?
                >
                >                 Also, note that the royal households of
Richard II,
                > Elizabeth I,
                > and James I
                >                 maintained "apewards," so ape skins would very
likely have
                > been
                > available in
                >                 the realm. From the REED volumes:
                >
                >                 Richard II
                >                 Apeward in Cambridge  1382-3
                >
                >                 Elizabeth I
                >                 Apeward in Coventry  1577-78
                >
                >                 James I
                >                 Apeward in York  1607
                >
                >                 Elza C. Tiner
                >
                >                 Professor of English
                >                 School of Humanities and Social Sciences
                >                 Lynchburg College
                >