Well, the Norwich inventory does pair "apis skinns" with an "angel cote," but I took it to be a contrast. Perhaps not. That's a very interesting possibility. Alan B. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence M. Clopper [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 8:53 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "Apis skinns"? I don't remember where this idea came from, but I thought that the apis skinnes were the lower body covering of the angels. They would have wings above and a shaggy lower body (instead of feathers). Check the iconography. Larry Clopper On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tiner, Elza wrote: > However, at some point the apes would die and their skins might be available > then, no? > > Elza C. Tiner > > -----Original Message----- > From: Baragona, Alan [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:25 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: "Apis skinns"? > > > This surprises me. It's very interesting. I would think, though, that apes > would be too rare and precious, having their own wards even, to skin or that > such skins would make it into the inventory of a guild in a rural township. > What do we know about apes in England? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tiner, Elza [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:29 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: "Apis skinns"? > > Also, note that the royal households of Richard II, > Elizabeth I, > and James I > maintained "apewards," so ape skins would very likely have > been > available in > the realm. From the REED volumes: > > Richard II > Apeward in Cambridge 1382-3 > > Elizabeth I > Apeward in Coventry 1577-78 > > James I > Apeward in York 1607 > > Elza C. Tiner > > Professor of English > School of Humanities and Social Sciences > Lynchburg College >