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Susan, this is  Audrey one of your *southern Washington* neighbors. I hate
to take exception to some of your statements but I can not sit here and not
say anything to dispute some of these. I can't speak about all you quote
because I am not directly involved with those in school anymore. I can speak
for tracking children in this state. For the life of me, I do not see a
problem with this or do I see it happening either. I have grand children
here and I had children here and it didnt happen that I was aware of. Yes,
there are those who may or may not *visit* after one comes home from the
hospital with a new baby. To me that is a courtesy and a help to an often
uncertain new parent. Mostly this *tracking* is a way to figure out the
direct needs of the families and their children in the state's population.
I would expect any state would have a simlar need to know how many children
would be at school age at 5 or ready for head start at 3. I cannot speak for
Mr. McDonald anymore than I am able to speak for my brother who is a
republican representative in legislature.  It isnt about our governor either
nor his wife or melinda gates is it? I feel they are doing a better job than
we have had for many years.  I do know why they went to China to visit their
relatives : it is much as we would visit ours isnt it? As for Melinda Gates,
the Gates Foundation has given many dollars to furnish computers and help to
children who are underprivledged so as to bring them into the world of
internet. I think that they could have done nothing; spent or saved their
money as they wished.  Instead,  their foundation is giving it to ideas that
the two of them believe in and that is more than some might choose given
this wealth.



----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Trout <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: NON PD: DUI and prescription drugs


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Sterling
> I can't speak for WA, but last time I checked it was still part of the
> United States.  I think you'll find that most, if not all the states, have
a
> provision in their laws for driving under the influence of controlled
> substances.  Any PWP involved in an accident due to a "sleep attack" would
> likely be liable for any damages he/she caused, but I highly doubt that
they
> would ever be prosecuted criminally for DUI...
>
> ************
> It is in the official Washington state literature available at the
doctor's
> office that Rx drug related driving problems are prosecuted as DUI in
> Washington. OTC drugs, too.
>
> The remainder of this is a description of Washington, the state.
> Make no mistake, Washington is really the Soviet of Washington, and tries
to
> avoid being part of the US.
>
> State senator Dan McDonald, R, who is running for US Congress in the 1st
> cong dist, is sponsoring a bill that prevents citizens from contacting
their
> elected representatives to speak (lobby) with them without first getting
> consensus from neighborhood councils. (No consensus=no talk.) Only after
> neighborhood consensus could one person be appointed to speak with the
> elected representative about the consented topic and consented opinion.
> First Amendment(!) you say? HA!
>
> A state representative has a bill in committee to teach "character" to
> school children. Have you ever read "Education for Death; the Making of
the
> Nazi by Gregor Zeimer? It is a MUST read in light of the infamous
education
> "re-form" in the country. The publisher is Oxford University Press, 1941.
I
> go through Powell Books (out-of-print department) in Portland, Oregon, to
> get all my o.o.p. books. They have a 1-800 number.
>
> We also have a governor's commission on early childhood learning that has
> persuaded legislators to propose a bill to create "parent educators". This
> is based on "brain development" (which is disputed, disproved) and bogus
> research. The purpose is to make certain all (ALL!) children are "ready to
> start kindergarten"; all parents are to take state parenting classes.
> (Please, please, please read Education for Death; history is repeating
> itself and no one seems to notice or care.)
>
> There is already a state  computer data base in place for tracking from
> birth to infinity (connected to Healthy Mothers Healthy Babies). Tracking
> starts in the hospital where the baby is born, exploiting the time the
> mother is emotionally vulnerable to gain permission. She is told the state
> provides a valuable service to her child; even a "home visitor" in the
deal.
> Parents receive goodies, growth expectation charts, vaccination reminders,
> etc.,  in the mail for the first few years. Parents are not told they are
> being tracked or that they have to option to opt out of the state's
tracking
> program. (Notice it is "opt out" not opt in). Doctors are asked to sign up
> for this tracking program. (Doctors do not have to tell parents that their
> child's records are being turned in to the State.) Schools report to the
> state the information they receive. The "benefit" promoted is "you'll
never
> need to worry about your child's records. You can go anywhere because the
> school will only have to get the information it needs from the State
> computer."  (Yeah, and later on the child's employer.) And just who is
> behind this commission? Gov. Gary Locke's & Bill Gates' wives are
co-chairs
> of this committee. (Gov.'s wife, Mona Lee Locke, with an entourage, is the
> one who had to go to The Peoples Republic of China to find out how to
raise
> her children because she didn't know how, no one had taught her, and no
one
> here was capable.
> So folks, we just dial 1-800 BEIJING to find out how to raise our
children.
>
> And on top of that...there is a bill up in legislative committee to
require,
> for school admission, a child's birth certificate be placed in the
permanent
> school record, which will be sent to the state (which already has the
birth
> certificate; the state issued it...more tracking).
>
> Yup, the Soviet of Washington...Approaching totalitarian with McDonald's
> help; we are not quite dictorial Fascists yet, but hey, Mussolini made the
> trains run on time, right? "Mussolini, Mussolini" sing the sons of Italy.
> 1-800-BEJING for help.
>