Jeez, Murray what are your messages like when you're annoyed. So the guy has some difficulty accepting the gift of free feedback ... A lot of people get defensive. Put on your consultant's hat and sell him community-based debugging support. BTW 1. I'm running Netscape Communicator 4.7, i.e. latest version 2. I get a black page, no text, nothing clickable 3. JavaScript enabled except for mail/news Murray Charters wrote: > > Hi Gregory, > I think you missed the point in my post! > > Some can't upgrade! Some can't disable javascript! They don't have it! > Anyone with a non javascript browser that attempts to go to > your homepage at: http:www.parkinson.org is not getting anywhere! > > All they get is (usually) a blank page! Some, as Frans found, get > an error message. Some, as I discovered, trying several browsers > on several patforms, get an animation in the form of a twirling tri-corn. > Some get the text National Parkinson Foundation followed by the text > Blazing Toward a Cure and the hyperlink enter which then takes > them to http://www.parkinson.org/index. > > Incidently, nowhere did I see "text version". If you have a browser > that gets you to a text version hyperlink then you probably would > not have a problem. > > The point was that access is being denied to those unable to > upgrade! The point was that your revised homepage doesn't > address any accessibility guideline. The point was that thousands > have bookmarked http://www.parkinson.org and other sites have > linked to http://www.parkinson.org. I notice it is a part of your > signature below. It's out there! The point was that the very people > you should be serving are receiving a dis-service! The point was that > any service or medical site should be accessible to everyone in some > manner, and sites that address the disabled, like yours, in particular. > > I'm disapointed in anyone's attitude that says just get the free > 20 meg upgrade. It usually means you have to also upgrade your > operating system and your hardware. It doesn't fit on a 386 running > Windows 3.1. Who uses such antique computers? Plenty of > folks who can't afford the "free" option above. No one should be > forced to upgrade to the latest software. Have you not seen MicroSoft > vs. the State in the press? > > I have successfully browsed the Internet with 386's for a number > of years and plan on continuing to support others with free > hardware. Plenty of people around the globe don't use Internet > Explorer or Netscape at all! There are lots of other browsers. > > Please reconsider the Accessibility Guidelines. > > There are one and a half million people with Parkinsons. Not all > are wealthy enough to afford pentiums with IE5. Is Dr. Lieberman > only gonna answer questions for the rich and lucky from now on? > > I urge you to think about it... > > I've taken the liberty of posting this letter as a cc on the forum that > spawned the initial query. (The PARKINSN List) > > Regards ......... murray > > ************************************************************************* > > On 16 Apr 2000, at 15:08, Gregory Izak wrote: > > > Dear Sir: > > > > The person having difficulty with our website can either (1) upgrade their web > > browser which is free either from Microsoft or Netscape. Our site works best > > with versions 4 and above. (2) There is a link on the upper left hand side of > > that says "Text Version" If they click on this they will be taken to our site > > that doesn't contain any fancy graphics or animation. The direct link is > > http://www.parkinson.org/texthtms/tindex.htm or (3) Disable javascript in their > > browser's settings (options) area. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Gregory Izak > > National Parkinson Foundation, Inc. > > 1501 NW Ninth Avenue > > Bob Hope Road > > Miami, FL 33136 > > 305-243-2982 > > 800-327-4545 > > http://www.parkinson.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Murray Charters" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]> > > Cc: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:23 PM > > Subject: Re: www.parkinson.org > > > > > > > On 16 Apr 2000, at 14:24, Frans van Duinen wrote: > > > > > > > Can anyone access this site? I keep getting the message: > > > > "JavaScript error. Type 'javascript' into Location for details > > > > -- > > > > Frans van Duinen > > > > (416) 652-8580 > > > > Toronto, Ontario > > > > > > Hi Frans, > > > Try this for now.... > > > http://www.parkinson.org/index.htm > > > > > > http://www.parkinson.org is inaccessible due to them "fancying" > > > it up with java-script and animation with no consideration given to > > > accessibility. > > > > > > They need to go to: > > > There is a test for "accessibility" available free at: > > > http://www.cast.org/bobby/ > > > and include that as a requirement. > > > > > > This was the very point of a large portion of my > > > post WWWeb Resources 16 - Disability & Accessibility. > > > > > > I've copied their webmaster on this e-mail and sent them > > > WWWeb Resources 16 - Disability & Accessibility seperately. > > > > > > Best regards .................. murray > > > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] -- Frans van Duinen (416) 652-8580 Toronto, Ontario