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JoAnn I would have sent this off list, but I dont have your email address. I am not trying to start anything, but I believe you misunderstood Janet. She has offered to make available any information that someone with email but no access to the web wants. You must have missed those posts. I have found her web site to be very helpful and I hope she continues to add to it. If you wish to reply to me, please do so at [log in to unmask] bob aka tex