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Yes, Walter I did, but I am not directly connected with any pd group only a friend of a pwp. I think all of your ideas sounded very interesting, and I know any of them would work. I particularily liked the idea of the umbrellas..I will defer to others on the list who have first hand information about the type of event that your ideas could help. * seattle* Audrey friend of pwp aussie John 49/42/38?