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chuck re depression as experienced in my own family after much thought and talk to doctors and the usual commonsense approach to this thing for our family some of it we think was and is hormonal as i have aged there is less incidence of the phenomenon my mother suffered intense depression especially during pregnancy a daughter has the similar characteristics stressful situations seem to exacerbate it it catches one off side often and seems to materialise at odd times we all cope by understanding what it is and trying to minimise the outside influences no always possible but certainly of assistance in management accepting the fact that it is and managing it for us is helpful from my reading of biographies of highly creative and reflective people it may be part and parcel of highly creative individuals no proof robert but in the writings it comes up so often judy >From: Charles E Murray <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: depression / jane kenyon's description-panic attacks >Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:21:22 -0700 > >Just finished third reading of Jane Kenyon's poem. I is very touching. >My heart goes out to other's who have come to experience CD as a >persistent invader, against which medication offers the only defense. >Hard not to begin seeing oneself as "A piece of burned meat," as Ms. >Kenyon put it. > >I wonder how many on our list have experienced panic (anxiety) attacks? >I have read in the PD literature that anxiety, including full blown panic >attacks are common among PWP. > >For some reason the poem took me back to the late 60's when I began a >long affair with panic attacks. The first one came out of "nowhere," my >heart simply accelerating, my palms began to sweat, breath coming in >gasps to accompany a sudden sense of impending doom. Where, I >frantically wondered, is this coming from, I was laying in bed late on a >Friday night for heaven's sake? > >My anxiety learned from itself and bore offspring. After several >"invasions," the fear of invasion took on a life of its own. All I had >to do was remember I was a helpless victim of this enemy to bring panic >back for another performance. > >Cunning and clever, it learned to pray on me in situations where I would >be most vulnerable, such as when I could not find a way of avoiding a >long automobile ride with other people. Overnight, it turned mild >discomforts into major phobias with its fear boosting effect. I tried a >variety of drugs, including Inderal, valium, and, of course, alcohol, to >cope. They helped, but this enemy simply adapted and grew like a strain >of antibiotic resistant virus. > >After I embarked on a path of spiritual recovery the episodes became >shorter, milder and further apart, eventually becoming a manageable >annoyance. But came a day when my worst phobia of old was unavoidable, >a 5 hour ride with a friend (woman) in response to a request that we help >conduct a 12 step workshop at a holistic healing facility in Northern >California. Sure enough, we were no sooner on the road than I began to >feel anxiety surging through me. With the prospect of hundreds of miles >of misery ahead, I asked for a break in our conversation to meditate. > >For no apparent reason I chose to visualize something never before >attempted by me---I thought of myself as a small baby in my mother's arms >(maybe I'm reminded of this because it is mother's day). I visualized >her telling me I was safe, loved, and that nothing I might do in that >moment would change her love for me. I was filled with a sense of being >surrounded by unconditional love. My heartbeat slowed, my palms became >dry, the feeling that something worse than death was imminent left me. I >thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the drive. > >That was the last attack and it was many years ago, for I learned that >this enemy was a part of me, it belonged to my mind, the most powerful >force over which I have influence and quite literally the seat of my >"reality" as experienced in the context of human experience. Fear, I >came to understand, has no objective reality, but depends totally on my >attitudes, expectations and perceptions. With panic attacks I had come >to "expect" panic, much as Jane Kenyon came to expect depression to >return. For reasons still unclear (but guilt is high on the suspect >list) I had been choosing fear most of my life. For the first time I >agreed to own the fear, and in doing so I was empowered to make a new >choice, and that choice was to turn my life over to the presence and care >of Love., > >PD has brought a roller coaster of sensations, mental and physical, which >come in unpredictable waves. So far, however, I have been able to >understand that these sensations that arise from the chemicals (or lack >thereof) ebbing and flowing within me ARE NOT ME, and I don't have to go >where they are trying to take me. Making a daily decision to trust in >Love has allowed me to simply let these sensations be, neither fighting >them or giving them power. With Love as the REAL power within me, the >condition of my body no longer controls my happiness or lack thereof. > >I am very thankful after reading all the posts that my problem was panic >attacks, rather than CD, and that my bouts with depression never reached >the level (so far) of CD as experienced by many on the list. > >Sat, 13 On May 2000 07:55:29 -0700 Carole Hercun <[log in to unmask]> >writes: > > janet-What a wondrous writer! Thank you for the > > introduction. Carole > > > > > > --- janet paterson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > this is a repost > > > of the best description of the experience of cd > > > that i have ever found > > > > > > janet > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Post: 029603 > > > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 > > > From: janet paterson > > > Subj: CD: A Poem by Jane Kenyon > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > HAVING IT OUT WITH MELANCHOLY > > > > > > If many remedies are prescribed for an illness, > > > you may be certain that the illness has no > > > cure. > > > > > > A.P. Chekhov > > > The Cherry Orchard > > > > > > > > > 1 FROM THE NURSERY > > > > > > When I was born, you waited > > > behind a pile of linen in the nursery, > > > and when we were alone, you lay down > > > on top of me, pressing > > > the bile of desolation into every pore. > > > And from that day on > > > everything under the sun and moon > > > made me sad=97even the yellow > > > wooden beads that slid and spun > > > along a spindle on my crib. > > > > > > You taught me to exist without gratitude. > > > You ruined my manners toward God: > > > "We're here simply to wit for death; > > > the pleasures of earth are overrated." > > > > > > I only appeared to belong to my mother, > > > to live among blocks and cotton undershirts > > > with snaps; among red tin lunch boxes > > > and report cards in ugly brown slipcases. > > > I was already yours=97the anti-urge, > > > the mutilator of souls. > > > > > > 2 BOTTLES > > > > > > Elavil, Ludiomil, Doxepin, > > > Norpramin, Prozac, Lithium, Xanax, > > > Wellbutrin, Parnate, Nardil, Zoloft. > > > The coated ones smell sweet or have > > > no smell; the powdery ones smell > > > like the chemistry lab at school > > > that made me hold my breath. > > > > > > 3 SUGGESTION FROM A FRIEND > > > > > > You wouldn't be so depressed > > > if you really believed in God. > > > > > > 4 OFTEN > > > > > > Often I go to bed as soon after dinner > > > as seems adult > > > (I mean I try to wait for dark) > > > in order to push away > > > from the massive pain in sleep's > > > frail wicker coracle. > > > > > > 5 ONCE THERE WAS LIGHT > > > > > > Once, in my early thirties, I saw > > > that I was a speck of light in the great > > > river of light that undulates through time. > > > I was floating with the whole > > > human family. We were all colors - those > > > who are living now, those who have died, > > > those who are not yet born. For a few > > > moments I floated, completely calm, > > > and I no longer hated having to exist. > > > > > > Like a crow who smells hot blood > > > you came flying to pull me out > > > of the glowing stream. > > > "I'll hold you up. I never let my dear > > > ones drown!" After that, I wept for days. > > > > > > 6 IN AND OUT > > > > > > The dog searches until he finds me > > > upstairs, lies down with a clatter > > > of elbows, puts his head on my foot. > > > > > > Sometimes the sound of his breathing > > > saves my life - in and out, in > > > and out; a pause, a long sigh... > > > > > > 7 PARDON > > > > > > A piece of burned meat > > > wears my clothes, speaks > > > in my voice, dispatches obligations > > > haltingly, or not at all. > > > It is tired of trying > > > to be stouthearted, tired > > > beyond measure. > > > > > > We move on to the monoamine > > > oxidase inhibitors. Day and night > > > I feel as if I had drunk six cups > > > of coffee, but the pain stops > > > abruptly. With the wonder > > > and bitterness of someone pardoned > > > for a crime she did not commit > > > I come back to marriage and friends, > > > to pink-fringed hollyhocks; come back > > > to my desk, books, and chair. > > > > > > 8 CREDO > > > > > > Pharmaceutical wonders are at work > > > but I believe only in this moment > > > of well-being. Unholy ghost, > > > you are certain to come again. > > > > > > Coarse, mean, you'll put your feet > > > on the coffee table, lean back, > > > and turn me into someone who can't > > > take the trouble to speak; someone > > > who can't sleep, or who does nothing > > > but sleep; can't read, or call > > > for an appointment for help. > > > > > > There is nothing I can do > > > against your coming. > > > When I am awake, I am still with thee. > > > > > > 9 WOOD THRUSH > > > > > > High on Nardil and June light > > > I wake at four, > > > waiting greedily for the first > > > notes of the wood thrush. Easeful air > > > presses through the screen > > > with the wild, complex song > > > of the bird, and I am overcome > > > by ordinary contentment. > > > What hurt me so terribly > > > all my life until this moment? > > > How I love the small, swiftly > > > beating heart of the bird > > > singing in the great maples; > > > its bright, unequivocal eye. > > > > > > Jane Kenyon > > > > > > > > > Copyright 1996 by Jane Kenyon > > > >From Otherwise: New & Selected Poems > > > <http://www.graywolfpress.org/> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > janet paterson > > > 53 now / 41 dx / 37 onset > > > 613 256 8340 / PO Box 171 Almonte Ontario K0A 1A0 Canada > > > come visit my website "a new voice" at: > > > http://www.geocities.com/janet313/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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