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Hello All, I am surprised at this list going on about Depression. I myself have to take two tablets a day the tablets are called Seroxat... Paroxetinhydrochlorid. I have accepted that Parkinson is a depressive illness maybe because I know that there is at the moment no cure. I think that we all are entitled to write about whatever subject interests us. I read all of the posts but I have the delete key handy so there is no real problem. A little more tolerance might be helpful on this list. From myself as well. Bern......peace http://members.teleweb.at/bernard.shaw/poetry.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Paterson" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 02 August 2000 14:21 Subject: Re: janet's rants on clinical depression (cd) and suicide / on second thought > cross-pollination from the mgh webforum > > posted August 02, 2000 07:39 AM > > Thank you, Janet. This is provoking material. I'm very glad to see this thread here, because I > see a lot of denial of depression issues in this forum. My own postings on depression sink > like a rock, with few replies (maybe I should rant more). There are even comments in other > threads stating that we don't have suicidal people here, etc, etc (maybe I should call them > down when they happen). > > Every case of Parkinson's Disease carries with it a high probability of co-occurring > depression (the usual guess is around 40%). > > Every case of Clinical Depression, left untreated, will eventually lead to thoughts of > hopelessness and suicide. These thoughts often come against the will of and contrary to the > personality of the sufferer. > > Both disorders require a lot of fortitude to fight, because doctors really don't know the > mechanisms of the chemical imbalances nor how the drugs to treat them actually work, > necessitating a sometimes long and tedious process of discovering what treatment will work. > > Denial due to social stigma is something we can put an end to. Denial of a neurotransmitter > disorder makes about as much sense as denial of a broken leg. Why do people accept > treatment for a "movement disorder" and refuse treatment for a "mental > disorder"??? > > Remember the post on neurotransmitters? (I didn't think so.) > ---Serotonin regulates worry and anger. > ---Dopamine regulates initiative and pleasure. > ---Norepinephrine regulates alertness and energy. > ---Treatment for clinical depression may require a combination of drugs to affect a > combination of neurotransmitters. > > Well, I'm trying to hang on to my job, so I gotta go. Hope this isn't off the thread, Janet. I was > sorry to hear about Paige, although I didn't know her. I'm hoping that our ranting will help > someone else. > > posted August 02, 2000 08:15 AM > > your reply is not off the thread, jaye. > in my humble opinion, > it is right on the money. > maybe it's time to post about neurotransmitters again; > i missed it and it sounds interesting. > several months ago, > i set up a 'suicide' page on my website > along with other topics culled from my list messages, > and the suicide page was the most frequently visited. > i'm thinking of expanding it - maybe i could include your post? > lack of response to this subject > [again imho] > doesn't reflect a lack of interest > on the contrary > it seems to me it reflects > the level of denial and shame > surrounding the subject. > in re the incidence of cd in pd, > the figure i have up with most often > is 50%. > and 80% of all cd goes undiagnosed and untreated. > so there are a lot of parkies out there > caught up in feeling hopeless and despondent > totally and completely unnecessarily. > as a cause of death in the usa, > suicide rates among the top ten, > and is higher than homicide. > why is there no outcry against this > deadly epidemic? > toxic shame and embarassment? > phooey, say i > > janet