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Janet, I know you are right to expose cd or any depression for which it is a temporary state, or if in cd's case, a condition that can be helped and resolved but not cured. Unless the brain chemistry can be permanently altered it is there under control but only with medication and therapy. I do not argue your position on cd, it is just as you describe to all of us, a pit of hopelessness, but one that can in most cases be made livable. For those as JoAnn, who have maybe never experienced deep depression as cd is, ( I have always felt it even as a child) it is a condition that they have only a word to describe it. How can you or anyone make it any different? To see someone who is close to you feel despondent, it may seem that they are only temporarily *blue* and a fun day will help that or any good news. You and I and many others know that does little good and is only a bandaid if any help at all. You also know that we who are like that are very adept in hiding our inner most feelings from those whom we care about the most. Women especially, are prone to cd or general depression because it is thought hormones play a big part in it. I think that in all cases a sense of balance is needed between we who know cd so intimately, and others who are trying to make the best of pd and the day to day cares that their loved ones have for them. Do you think it is possible to try to make cd what it is, not anything we want to *celebrate* to the degree that you and I would knowing we have it under control? I would wish to spare those others clinging to their own lives from my past pain and I would suppose you would also. Maybe we could set aside a day a month to mention it-- to make it known for those who have considered suicide, as I once did, so that these ones would know that they are not alone? *seattle* audrey friend of pwp aussie John 49/42/38?