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all girls and their mothers is an experience not to be missed if you have the stamina the head butting is stressful while it lasts and last it does until mother really lets go and they become independent and themselves (my boy/son was a little different as he went flatting in his late teens and returned home more independent) *then* the greatest fun as they return to some interdependence and often share their lives in the family and around the family i had lunch with my late thirties daughter yesterday and still hug myself as i remember the time spent in those couple of hours just eating, and wandering together i guess the essence of this story is the *letting go* and the difficulty is to know how and when for boys and girls in hindsight i didnt let go peaceably but needed *persuading* this made life more difficult for them and me i notice my own daughters have let go earlier with their daughters and are more democratic in decision making about all sorts of things regards judy >From: audrey skrzyniarz <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Stress >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:39:22 -0700 > >Alf, >I think you have missed one thing in your idea of embracing the quiet >and peace within a monastary. Remember that they are "monastic" too, and >that means quiet but alone, away from a woman--your wife. As for boys >arguing with their mother, I have two of each and it seems to me that >girls tend to butt heads more with their mothers than boys do.. but that >is how it was in my family and how I was with my mother. Good luck if >you do decide to escape the *stresses* of modern day life. The trade off >is peace, early to bed, and a life spent in contemplation of a life >misspent most likely :)) > >Stressless in, > >* Seattle* Audrey friend of pwp Aussie John 49/42/38? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com