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...i don't remember who came up with "pieNET" there was a joke about two years ago about eating pie, i think, maybe at the time of the "magic cookies" [?] but i liked it and it meshed nicely with "jaNET" so i used it on my website i considered "pien" but i never knew how to pronounce it although i had fun with it when i announced that my new website was a "paean to the pien" the opening was dedicated to barb p our "list mom" i don't remember who was the first to come up with that term either i think i started the use of "cyber-siblings" along with multitudes of spelling variations and maybe even "cyber-family" and i SOITENLY invented "cyber-dad" for don mckinley when he unofficially adopted me as his "cyber-daughter" aka "sis" the origin of "list elf" are obscure to me now i'm sure that i had heard the term somewhere myself before i ever used it when i sent a note to barb p volunteering my assistance "would you mind if i helped out with subscription instructions?" and she wrote back saying "would i!!!!!!" i took that as my promotion into "list-elf-dom" sharon starr serves the same duties via the same route with camilla on the care-list the one title that i know for sure i had nothing to do with and which still flabbergasts me now to think of it is "list-goddess" i love it! co-incidentally, i have recently discovered that my daughter has been self-dubbed "international goddess" must be something in the genes... janet "a rose is a ..." janet paterson 53 now / 44 dx cd / 43 onset cd / 41 dx pd / 37 onset pd tel: 613 256 8340 url: "http://www.geocities.com/janet313/" email: [log in to unmask] smail: POBox 171 Almonte Ontario K0A 1A0 Canada