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Alf, I think you have missed one thing in your idea of embracing the quiet and peace within a monastary. Remember that they are "monastic" too, and that means quiet but alone, away from a woman--your wife. As for boys arguing with their mother, I have two of each and it seems to me that girls tend to butt heads more with their mothers than boys do.. but that is how it was in my family and how I was with my mother. Good luck if you do decide to escape the *stresses* of modern day life. The trade off is peace, early to bed, and a life spent in contemplation of a life misspent most likely :)) Stressless in, * Seattle* Audrey friend of pwp Aussie John 49/42/38?