dear janet and charles over the years i have had many ups and downs but never thought of suicide. what i found in my case was that even having a large family there were times i felt as tho i wasn't really needed. i decided feeling useless was my cause for being gloomy. i started doing charity work because there were many people needing all sorts of help it is simplistic but knowing i was really needed could always perk me up when called upon. for help. connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Murray" > > I know this extreme position is not suggested by anything posted on this > topic by Janet or anyone else, but I will go out on a limb with an > opinion that the more personal responsibility one accepts as opposed to > projecting responsibility onto one's HMO, doctor, caregiver, etc., the > greater the potential for achieving worthwhile life. > > Chuck >