Colleagues, it's that time of year again when Brock University's rather naive English dept dreams up unusual things to do to its young writing program, and so I need your help with a couple of questions about Canadian 1st-year writing courses: 1) Do any Canadian universities or colleges offer 2-course sequences in 1st year? I know these are common in the US, but general ed requirements are also common there. I'm not aware of any such Canadian offerings (correct my ignorance please) and I'm hoping Brock sees the wisdom of doing one course well rather than two courses poorly. Writing is not required at Brock, so students here drop out of the second-term course after surviving the poorly designed first-term course. (Of course, Brock's English dept blames everybody but itself.) 2) How many/few campuses attempt to teach writing courses partly out of a lecture hall? Aside from Brock, I'm aware of only 5: + Toronto: Engineering program + Waterloo: English and Math depts (shame on my alma mater) + Ottawa: English dept (??? is that correct?) + Carleton: English dept (??? is that correct?) + Saskatchewan: Commerce program Are there others? I need to argue that only 5 (or whatever) other universities are attempting this, while the other 1000 or so North American universities and colleges don't presume to lecture students into becoming better writers. Ironically, one of the latest proposals the dept floated is for an upper-year undergrad course on writing pedagogy. Maybe some of the English faculty here will consider taking it. Thanks for your help, All the best, John ---- John B. Killoran, PhD Assistant Professor Dept. of English Language and Literature Brock University St. Catharines, Ontario L2S 3A1 Canada (905) 688-5550 ext.3886 [log in to unmask] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, the annual conference, and publications, go to the Inkshed Web site at http://www.StThomasU.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-