John, Two years ago, I asked much the same question about lecture size as Engineering fought with English to try and get English to reduce the amount of lecturing about writing that it did in the first year course. I surveyed mostly engineering colleagues and tech writing colleagues both Can and US. In the US, the average class size for writing classes (16 universities reporting) was 21. In Canada, the average was 64 but when those large classes' tutorials were factored in the average was 29 (10 universities reporting). Please note that in Engineering at UT, the writing courses we control have a cap of 22. Also note, that the English course for Arts and Sci has a cap of 30. It is only when teaching engineers to write, that the English Department in its infinite wisdom, chooses a class size of 320 as a pedagogically viable unit. English pays for the teaching of the engineers. This, I believe, explains all. regards Rob Irish ************************************************ Dr. Robert Irish Director of Language Across the Curriculum Applied Science and Engineering University of Toronto 416-978-6708 ************************************************ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, the annual conference, and publications, go to the Inkshed Web site at http://www.StThomasU.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-