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yes, but when we are discussing stem cell research, the question is are awe discussing an unborn baby? first of all, the 'cell clusters' are not viable on their own - a specious argument , i agree but to me the real argument is - they are bound for destruction anyway. they are going to be incinerated. they are waste material that is going to be destroyed. they are - if you believe they are living matter - about to be murder victims. and when a man is murdered, do we say his heart cannot be used for transplant, so that another man may live. do we say his cornea cannot give vision to a blind man. do we say his kidney may not spare someone from spending the rest pf their lives on a dialysis machine. NO, we mourn his death, and then rejoice in the improved quality of life or even of the life itself that the recipients can enjoy. i know - i keep on reading their stories in readers digest! and so this little cell cluster, bound for the trash heap , could give quality of life e and length of days (in accordance with Deuternonomy chapter 22, verse 7) to someone w ith a muscular degenerative disease like ours. or diabetes, etc and i would love to read about it in readers digest! and although personally i do not support the death penalty, i can see the reasoning on certain cases. but by banning stem cell research - are you not supporting the death penalty for me? hilary blue > > Can anyone explain to me how someone can support the death penalty and > > larger military budgets, and then claim to be pro-life? In their > > twisted sense of morality which is more valuable, the living or the > > unborn? > > > > Greg > > 47/35/35 > > The two concepts are not incompatible. The death penalty, if you > believe in it, is administered only after a person has been found guilty. > The unborn baby has not been found guilty of anything. They are > both human beings. > > Arguments about the effectiveness of the death penalty are > something else, and I don't really want to open that can of worms; but > I believe that one can be "pro-life" (as far as abortion is concerned) > and still support the death penalty. > > As to the military issue, I do not think that there are many cultures or > belief systems that would deny the right to self-defense; and we > would like to hope that civilized people will not use war for anything > but a defensive purpose. > > Obviously, the world is not "perfect". > > Best, > > Bob > > ********************************************** > Robert A. Fink, M. D., F.A.C.S., P. C. > 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 > Berkeley, California 94704-2636 > Telephone: 510-849-2555 FAX: 510-849-2557 > WWW: http://www.dovecom.com/rafink/ > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > "Ex Tristitia Virtus" > > *********************************************