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Say Ray and Charlotte , How much nicer would be humanity if the majority of the people would share the same perspective of life both of you put forward and a minority defend it in our so wee planet that travels with no destiny in this infinite space of the cosmos ..... Ray Strand wrote: > politics and religion are usually controversial. > just avoiding them will not make them go away. > > well--we got rid of humor > and we got rid of too much talk of clinical depression > and now we can get rid of politics > and we can get rid of religion > or we got rid of talk of stem cells > and maybe we can get rid of talk of hope > because that seems to come up a lot > or our medications > because that seems to come up a lot > too controvercial > and we're tired of deleting > > but, who is "we"? > > my opinion is--let it all be > embrace diversity and learn from one and another, > appreciate the checks and balances differing views represent. > with 1800 of us looking on... > there will certainly be differing opinions expressed. > most of us aren't even in the same country > but, we're all connected, > not just electronically. > > if an emotional response is elicited by a list message-- > reflect on what chord it struck inside yourself. > if a message does nothing--what use is that? > not interesting? > not informative? > not worth filing into the private archive? > > Charlotte Mancuso wrote: > > > Greg and others, > > > > I feel that it is entirely appropriate to discuss politics and policies that > > yes, if we can't talk about it here...then where? > > everything is politics > our existence is inseperable from society > it will have an impact on our parky lives > good or bad > not much miiddle ground here > > also, i think that it as important "how" we discuss an issue > > debate is good for representing various sides of an issue > flaming, name calling, is not really debate > present factual info, or experience, or quote authorities-- > pro and con > ...then let the bystanders make up their own minds. > > you may not have changed the mind of the person you debate...but, > it can influence so many that you may never hear from. > > > affect our lives, our family's lives, and the very welfare of our country. > > I don't want to be a burden on my family and society. I want to live my > > life as a productive person, for everyone's sake, including society's. > > i feel the same way...as bit by bit > my dreams are taken from me or my family > and replaced by inevitable nightmares of unecessary suffering > > i should have another 20 years until retirement > but, instead i'm struggling to stay on top of what little i do now. > and i've cut back over the past few years even before diagnosis > not knowing what was going on > just knowing things weren't getting done, > that were easy before. > > > We, as a species, have nothing to lose and everything to gain by advancing > > this vital, life giving research. The remaining embryos were created to > > bring a new life into the loving arms of a childless couple. The method for > > this happy, fruitful event, results in a number of remaining fertilized eggs > > that are unsuitable for bringing about another child, but eminently suitable > > for saving and mending lives. It is clearly a win-win situation--life from > > life. I cannot imagine anything more pro-life than this. > > this is so well put, > i'm sharing it with some people i know > that aren't on the list > i hope you don't mind > > > Charlotte Mancuso > > > > Jo Ann Coen wrote: > > > > > Greg - it's obvious you are a democrat. But I think we should keep > > > politics and religion off the list. It will surely start another > > > controversy, and things have gone very smoothly the last few weeks.. Jo > > > Ann from Houston > > tranquility is like balance > not necessarily stable > or interesting > or like > neutral gear > not going anywhere > > just because things are calm and smooth > doesn't mean progress > unless that is the goal > > i'd rather have a cure > and overcome whatever obstacles get in the way Cheers, Joao Paulo - Salvador,BA,Brazil [log in to unmask]