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Marjorie, I wasn't replying about stem cell research, but to Joao about what makes a human a human. Specifically, I was replying about what he stated... "As result of this view I would not accept a new-born that sometimes are born with NO brain ought to be considered as a "human being" ,as long he has not the most fundamental organ to characterize a human being." All of this is wrapped up together though, so please bear with us as we try to unravel the philosophy behind stem cell research right and wrongs. Jen, Dad w/ PD 55/39 -----Original Message----- From: Marjorie L. Moorefield [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: stem cells At 10:45 AM 10/06/2000 -0400, you wrote: > If you do not believe in the Bible then you just go on >science alone and voila you have a difference of beliefs! Jennifer, I believed in the Bible before you were even a twinkle in your Father's eye, way, way before you were born. What you are discussing is NOT what the rest of us are discussing. We are discussing Stem Cell Research, to me IVF is a miracle God gave childless couples so they could have their own child , to give a woman, who otherwise would never feel the kick of that little foot in her womb, to never know the love a Mother develops for a child before she ever sees his/her face, this is a miracle brought about by modern science. If we willingly destroy cells, which are left over from this miracle because they cannot be used on someone else, and are incapable of sustaining life on their own,then , IMOHO, we become as the Dog in the Manger, who can't eat the hay, nor digest it, but he lays on top of it and snarls and snaps at any animal who attempts to eat it. The Bible also states that there is nothing new under the Sun, so I feel that this knowledge to give couples their own child, and if they wish to donate the unused cells for the benefit of mankind all over the world, is also a gift from God. I can't imagine a more Charitable gift anyone could give to their fellow man. just me, Marjorie