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Hi Bob, Like Jack the Stripper used to say : "lets go by parts" ...but lets start with the last paragraph of you re : "Robert A. Fink, M. D." wrote: ***BTW, I don't advocate the throwing of bombs in front of abortion clinics, nor do most of those of us who oppose the unreasoned sacrifice of the unborn****....... Having you as I have in high regard,respect and admiration ,as a person and as a professional (even not agreeing with all yours points of view), I would be the last person to suspect or imagine you to advocate this Nazi behavior ....all I did mention was that some said "pro-life" elements did in past , and who knows may repeat it in the future , such condemned behavior, and that I did not understand how these people could assume to be "pro-life" while killing human beings. My sincere excuses if my bad English may ,by some reason, lead you for another interpretation of those words.. > Secondly you say " a human embryo/fetus is a human being. "......... I > > do not agree . A human being in my way of see it has to have human > > brain , human feelings , human memory , human conscience , to say the > > least . So , I believe the embryo is a group of cells derived of human > > bodies that has the potential to be transformed in the myriad of human > > cells and eventually with all conditions favorable (not the case in > > general) may generate a human being .. The point is : at such stage > > (as embryos) they are only human cells and not human beings . > > The medical profession (and the law in most places) has declared that > a human being is "dead" when they do not have any brain activity > and that this condition is irreversible. This state, called "brain-dead" > is the point where organs can be harvested for transplant, life-support > can be discontinued, etc. The people who have made this distinction > (and have codified it into law) have said that the *brain* is what > makes the "human tissue" truly human. I do agree with such view .... As result of this view I would not accept a new-born that sometimes are born with NO brain ought to be considered as a "human being" ,as long he has not the most fundamental organ to characterize a human being. Along the same line of reasoning an embryo has no brain, and also cannot be considered a human being even if given the proper conditions might have later the potential to become one. > If this is correct, then what about the fact that a human fetus, at about > 8 weeks' gestation, has a recordable EEG (and, as our technology gets > better, maybe even earlier!). If that collection of "human cells" was You now are talking of human fetus , at about 8 weeks'gestation and so far we were talking of embryos . Best regards Cheers, Joao Paulo - Salvador,BA,Brazil [log in to unmask]