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Rick, I can relate that you may be mystified trying to understand where a person of faith is coming from on the issue of fetal cells. While I enjoy the subtle message of this of this joke, and have told it many times myself..... I think in this context it shows bigotry. Those on this list that feel distressed at the taking of life are not against Stem Cell research, just the taking of innocent life. Especially when they feel that a fetus that is discarded, could be implanted into another infertile parent. You may be surprised, but I would be willing to bet that those you poke fun at are just as intelligent, caring, and rational as you or any other on this list. Your viewpoints probably represent almost half of the people on this list, perhaps even a greater number of those that are more vocal. But that dose not make this kind of hate talk right. I personally love those on both sides of the issue, yes even you (Big Guy). We suffer enough from our ailment with out looking for more from the hands of each other. I'll be looking for you at the parkie center & a nice cup of Joe. You'll be the 6 ft + tall guy, & I'll be the guy 6 ft across. (LOL) David Meigs [log in to unmask] You Wrote: > The religious context of the stem cell debate, and the issue of what > comprises faith, makes me think of this joke. > > A man with an unshakable faith that God would deliver him from his trials > and help him overcome every obstacle survived a catastrophe at sea, only to > find himself treading water in the middle of the ocean with no land in sight > and the wind rising. When a piece of flotsam from the his now-sunken ship > floated by, he refused to grab hold of it, thinking happily that God would > save him. A while later a raft with survivors came into view, but he didn't > call out, waiting for God to save him. As he grew exhausted and cold and > night approached, a rescue helicopter hovered overhead and sent down a > basket to pull him out of the sea, but still the man held firm in his faith > that God would save him and refused to climb in. So he drowned. > > In heaven later on, speaking with God, the man said, "I waited for you to > save me, but you didn't. Why?" > > God said: "What do you mean? I sent you a piece of flotsam, a liferaft, and > a helicopter! What more do you want?"