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Hi David, I am amazed that my post can be in any way construed as "hate talk" and "bigotry." And I am amazed also that you can know so much about me, including my intelligence level, my political views, and even my "stance" on stem cell use (which I'm afraid to report is far from solid in either direction) from a couple of paragraphs. My point, or rather conjecture: maybe we are being sent a liferaft that we fail to recognize as a liferaft because it doesn't fit our picture of a liferaft that God would provide. Rick Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:07:48 -0800 From: davidmeigs <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: nonPD but related to stem cell argument NOT Rick, I can relate that you may be mystified trying to understand where a person of faith is coming from on the issue of fetal cells. While I enjoy the subtle message of this of this joke, and have told it many times myself..... I think in this context it shows bigotry. Those on this list that feel distressed at the taking of life are not against Stem Cell research, just the taking of innocent life. Especially when they feel that a fetus that is discarded, could be implanted into another infertile parent. You may be surprised, but I would be willing to bet that those you poke fun at are just as intelligent, caring, and rational as you or any other on this list. Your viewpoints probably represent almost half of the people on this list, perhaps even a greater number of those that are more vocal. But that dose not make this kind of hate talk right. David Meigs [log in to unmask] You Wrote: > The religious context of the stem cell debate, and the issue of what > comprises faith, makes me think of this joke. > > A man with an unshakable faith that God would deliver him from his trials > and help him overcome every obstacle survived a catastrophe at sea, only to > find himself treading water in the middle of the ocean with no land in sight > and the wind rising. When a piece of flotsam from the his now-sunken ship > floated by, he refused to grab hold of it, thinking happily that God would > save him. A while later a raft with survivors came into view, but he didn't > call out, waiting for God to save him. As he grew exhausted and cold and > night approached, a rescue helicopter hovered overhead and sent down a > basket to pull him out of the sea, but still the man held firm in his faith > that God would save him and refused to climb in. So he drowned. > > In heaven later on, speaking with God, the man said, "I waited for you to > save me, but you didn't. Why?" > > God said: "What do you mean? I sent you a piece of flotsam, a liferaft, and > a helicopter! What more do you want?"