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Putting your earlier post in the light of your explanation sure changes a lot. I read it twice... because I couldn't believe it, at least from you. 45 minutes sleep a day takes it's toll on my patience. All the sniping going on as of late has made me a little more bonkers than I thought. Sorry big guy! David Meigs [log in to unmask] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Hermann" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: Re: PARKINSN Digest - 2 Nov 2000 to 3 Nov 2000 - Special issue (# 2000-944) > Hi David, > > I am amazed that my post can be in any way construed as "hate talk" and > "bigotry." And I am amazed also that you can know so much about me, > including my intelligence level, my political views, and even my "stance" on > stem cell use (which I'm afraid to report is far from solid in either > direction) from a couple of paragraphs. > > My point, or rather conjecture: maybe we are being sent a liferaft that we > fail to recognize as a liferaft because it doesn't fit our picture of a > liferaft that God would provide. > > Rick > > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:07:48 -0800 > From: davidmeigs <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: nonPD but related to stem cell argument NOT > > Rick, > > I can relate that you may be mystified trying to understand where a person > of faith is coming from on the issue of fetal cells. While I enjoy the > subtle message of this of this joke, and have told it many times myself..... > I think in this context it shows bigotry. Those on this list that feel > distressed at the taking of life are not against Stem Cell research, just > the taking of innocent life. Especially when they feel that a fetus that is > discarded, could be implanted into another infertile parent. > > You may be surprised, but I would be willing to bet that those you poke fun > at are just as intelligent, caring, and rational as you or any other on this > list. Your viewpoints probably represent almost half of the people on this > list, perhaps even a greater number of those that are more vocal. But that > dose not make this kind of hate talk right. > > David Meigs > [log in to unmask] > > You Wrote: > > > The religious context of the stem cell debate, and the issue of what > > comprises faith, makes me think of this joke. > > > > A man with an unshakable faith that God would deliver him from his trials > > and help him overcome every obstacle survived a catastrophe at sea, only > to > > find himself treading water in the middle of the ocean with no land in > sight > > and the wind rising. When a piece of flotsam from the his now-sunken ship > > floated by, he refused to grab hold of it, thinking happily that God would > > save him. A while later a raft with survivors came into view, but he > didn't > > call out, waiting for God to save him. As he grew exhausted and cold and > > night approached, a rescue helicopter hovered overhead and sent down a > > basket to pull him out of the sea, but still the man held firm in his > faith > > that God would save him and refused to climb in. So he drowned. > > > > In heaven later on, speaking with God, the man said, "I waited for you to > > save me, but you didn't. Why?" > > > > God said: "What do you mean? I sent you a piece of flotsam, a liferaft, > and > > a helicopter! What more do you want?"