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john: i have kept several messages using the manual method to unsubscribe, set nomail, set mail and use these over and over just changing their name & email address. i email those individuals who need help privately and offer help if they still have trouble. there was only one person i couldn't help. he wanted to alter the way he received his email in digest form and i referred him to you. Here's a sample of what i reply to their messages: (this person wanted her email address removed.) "Sharon: Here are some instructions how to 'remove' your email address from the PIEnet list. In a new email message, copy and paste this into the "TO:" section: [log in to unmask] Leave the Subject line blank and in the body of the message copy and paste ONLY these words: SIGNOFF PARKINSN Hope this helps. If you have problems please email me privately and I'll try to help. Remember, you can always read the messages in the archives without being subscribed. Barb K" i ask them to 'copy' and 'paste' because otherwise they spell parkinsn wrong. I don't mind doing this, and I'm sure others are doing the same thing to help. on another list i belong to the unsubscribe instructions are always in the last part of the message, but--even then people on that list are always asking 'how do i unsubscribe?' <sigh> i really prefer the way you have set up for us, john. it's so easy. yet the people who can't follow instructions have problems with that too. barb k At 12:38 PM 11/14/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Janet and John --ONE of the whys and wherefores is probably that some of > >the folks who forgot to save the insdtructions DO NOT have web access. I > >like the idea of a brief post of basics monthly---why not? we have room for > >jokes ! > > > > > >Camilla, everyone tries to be helpful, including yourself and Murray but >until the folks actually make an effort to read instructional posts it is >all for naught. Perhaps even youself have overlooked the instructional >posts so you think there are none. I post 3 to 4 monthly generally in >response to a plea for help but if they are not read, it isn't the helpers >fault, but falls directly on the shoulders of those who have chosen to >ignore them. > >For those with web access, the mail management buttons on P-I-E-N-0 are >the easiest way to manage the Parkinsn subscription options. It requires >no rocket science to click the appropriate option button and then click >the send button on the users email program. > >If one is technically inclined, Janet provides the necessary commands to >perform the same function but the user has to create the email to the >listserv themselves. > >Those few with email only access have to use the manual method to manage >their subscription. Their plight is the lowest common denominator. These >folks will need to send a message to [log in to unmask] and >include in the body of the message the words: info refcard > >They will then be sent the commands for all of the mail options. Let me >assure you the refcard list is cryptic and 99% of folks getting it will >not know what to do with them. > >The best bet for these folks is to email me direct with a description of >what they want to do and I will do my best to help them. > > >[log in to unmask] > > Search the parkinsn archive online at: > http://james.parkinsons.org.uk > Catch the Parkinsn's List Online messages at: > http://parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com > Click the link for Parkinsn's List Online > >John Cottingham