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Barb K. you are much nicer than I would have been regarding our GUARDELF! So well you put the word out to be helpful instead of hurtful to newbies. Just a tad more than a year ago I was one of the newbies and was disheartened after being chastised for a post I wrote. Fortunately there are many loving, caring, helpful people on ourwonderful list Never bashful! Juanita CG for George 74/71/64