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Sharon: ---you wrote --- JoAnn C., I do not know you personally, and based upon your apparent lack of compassion for others who are or might be experiencing problems that you have no interest in, I don't care to know you personally. You can do as the rest of us, if you aren't interested in the subject of a particular posting, skip it......If I have offended anyone with my bluntness I apologize. I do not wish to create trouble, I only want to do my part in helping others with PD. The attitude of J. Coen, is inexcusable and I have very little patience with those who have no compassion for others. If you feel I have created a problem and would prefer that I not post here again, please let me know and I will remove myself from the list. ----------------------------------------------------- Sharon: No, we don't want you to remove yourself from the list -- even if you may have to duck a little flack this morning from some who will protect joann. :) she wasn't referring to you at all. earlier in the year there was a death of a pwp who was well known and liked by some of those who've been on the list longer than i have been. at first the discussion was useful in helping some vent their feelings. unfortunately, a list member who has voluminous postings would not let the discussion stop. it was more like the list concentrated on cd than pd. what i'm trying to say i guess is there was no balance there. this person was asked politely to taper off a little. she overwhelmed everyone with messages like you wouldn't believe, and refused to stop. this is who jo ann was referring to. (and i have to add here the list member who posted so much has been a little better about her posts --even if i jab a little here and there.) :))) i got very alarmed when this earlier discussion of cd went on and on, because some of the members noted they were getting very depressed . everytime they checked email it was like cd was being crammed down our thoats. yes, you can hit delete - but you've still read the subject --or maybe the subject wasn't changed and you found yourself reading about cd again when you didn't want to. there were some who hinted that maybe suicide was a way out after all. :( now in defense of jo ann: she is going through a very difficult time in her life. you may say, well, aren't we all? and i'd have to say yes. she may have sounded a little harsh to you, especially if you thought she was referring to you, but i assure you it was a cry for help more than being critical. jo ann is really a very kind, caring person. keep in mind too, sharon, that email is rather impersonal - you can't see the person who's writing - and it's easy to take offense when none was really meant. <sigh> i hope your research helps. i think any research like this is valuable. you see, i went through some terrible emotional heavals about 6-7 years ago. I experienced within one year the deaths of my father, my mother, my father-in-law, my grandmother, and a very close friend. i got so when i didn't have to work, i didn't go outside of the house. i kept the computer online when i was home so i didn't have to talk to anyone. i experienced the thoughts of why keep going on day after day..... and no one recognized these signs. at that time my husband traveled a lot with his job, so he wasn't home enough to see i had a real problem. if you'd asked me if i was depressed, i would have laughed at you. i really believe this was the start of pd inmy life, because i started having some of the other symptoms i have now, but to a lesser degree then. when i was dx'd with pd, it was just another thing to cope with -- but when i couldn't sleep at night, the neurologist prescribed a mild antidepressant - and upped the doses at night till i could get some rest. and wow. all of a sudden life had more meaning. and i could look back and see - i was severely depressed. would i call it cd? i don't know. all i know is i felt so much better. nowadays, i do keep the computer online when i'm home- only cause i'm tired of 'do you want a credit card, or switch to mci' calls. but i don't HAVE to have the pc shield me from the world. and i don't HAVE to stay home and hide. i wouldn't have realized i had a problem if i hadn't read about pd causing depression - and other things about cd on the list. so it is helpful to discuss it here, we just need to temper it a little. well didn't mean to get carried away like this. lol after all i'm supposed to be writing verses on the curse of the wind, not the curse of pd vs cd. :))) have a great day! and please remember sometimes we do get a little cranky on the list, but it's like a big cyber family --and sometimes brothers and sisters fight a little. hope i've made a little sense here after rambling on and on. barb k