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Roger, How funny you make some *couthless* things seem (I like this made to order word better than uncouth:) smiles... I had forgotten the other terms that I was exposed to while in Oz but they flooded back when I read your humorous post today. I knew you guys called a spade a spade before my visit, but I never realized that you knew how to use it too. :) I do understand why aussies view politicians as being full of a lot of things-- including excessive words in parliament :) It is rather the same here if one can judge by the late night comedians isnt it? :) *seattle* Audrey friend of pwp aussie John 49/42/38?