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I appreciated Bob's message, and I have found fault with the list too. Since the msgs are not regulated, we all need to be sensitive to the words we use. Of course, peoples' sensitivities differ. What I would like to see is less chat (of course, chat to me may be substantial to someone else). Basically, these e-mail lists have serious limitations. They are not "families"--most of us don't even know one another aside from what we read here. This list can be a source of support, but it won't work to be the only source of support. Guys like Charlie and Bob are great because they're level-headed; that they're docs is a plus, but the list won't die without MDs, assuming we all have our own neurologists. But I would miss Bob the person. We all come here as people, very imperfect, and the "action" here is interaction more than the facts gleaned. We thrive on differences and even on conflicts. Maybe we've got to take some uncomfortable situations. So my position is, yes, cool the derogatory jokes. My dream for the list is that people be very thoughtful about what they post, and that we support one another without expecting too much. If I leave, or Bob leaves, or anybody leaves, it really, really doesn't change things that much. I have PD when I'm logged off, too. Rick, 49,47