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HI Ray, David and list, I saw you mention my name. And yes I was part of the second fetal transplant double blind study . This is the Olanow,Freeman, Goetz group who ran the experiment for 2 years and then the experiment did not finish on time. I likely will officially know the outcome of that study next month but I am relatively sure I got the cells. However in addition to some improvements I developed, a runaway dyskinesia . This is what Fahn called this movement which developed and This is dyskinesia which is not controlled by reducing the l-dopa taken., I then followed up with STN -DBS surgery which helped a great amount. The dyskinesia virtually vanished on the Left, while on the right I do develop some dystonia even with my stimulators off I have mixed feelings about the continuation of this process. I am hoping that the surgery winds up useful to somebody else. I think that placement of the cells is an important issue. Also the differences in the patients is likely important. I do feel the research should continue at a slow pace since I am hoping that stem cells will be a cure(and the use of 8-12 week embryos will be a relic of the past), It sounds as though Freed and Fahn had quite a disagreement .Fahn saying that the procedure should not be done and Freed giving a more positive read on it, The design of the Olanow/Freeman/Goetz is for longer (2 years) which has made waiting for the blind to be broken excruciatingly long especially since I was subject 002 in 1995 or 96. In spite or maybe because of this study experience I still am a strong advocate of research and double blind studies using patients. Thanks for letting me let off a little steam here. Charlie 01:18 PM 8/25/01 -0700, you wrote: Ray, Do you ever monitor the PD list (PIENO)? There were a few who had been a part of the fetal implant studies. One that I remember for sure is Dr. Charles Meyer (psychiatrist) Charlie had some bad dyskinesias because of it. I remember another couple who had the "placebo" surgery Charles T. Meyer, M.D. Middleton, WIsconsin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn