Rachel, please don't sign off this list just yet. If you do, I'll feel personally responsible, because I ratcheted the discourse up past the level where it was proceeding quite nicely . . . I'll admit it; I was looking for an entre' . . . And let me just say, because I should have realized that my .sig file doesn't automatically give it away, that I'm an *American*. I belong to a number of international lists; this week, my response on all of them has been to write in with some version of, "Hey! Dubya doesn't speak for all of us!" This seems like a moral imperative to me: If those of us who disagree don't make our disagreements known, then it will be even easier for our enemies to demonize the US. As for whether there's an "in group" on this list, that's another matter, and interesting, too, in light of recent events. I suppose that with all email discussion lists there are "in groups" just simply by virtue of the fact that some folks post and others don't -- and the nature of e-communication is such that the people who *do* post can't "see" the people who don't, so one gets the impression that one is really only talking to half-a-dozen known associates, and constructs *them* as the audience. As to the degree to which the list can be described in terms of nationality, that's an even more interesting question in light of recent events. Does national identity automatically include some and exclude others? I think so . . . I can remember being at an Inkshed conference in Canada and feeling extremely isolated and well, ostracized, I guess, because I was American. I'd given a presentation on a particularly heinous episode of homophobia in one of my classes, and someone responded, "That could never happen in Canada." Until that moment, I'd thought of myself as "just a person" -- I had no idea that my national identity was, in any way, a filter for those hearing and talking to me. (Wasn't until maybe a year later that I discovered that the person making that statement was also an American . . . ) Similarly, our discourse here about the World Trade Center disaster is clothed in nationalistic garb. While you didn't do this specifically, others have contacted me, personally, off-list and made statements that indicated to me that they thought I was Canadian. If you read my remarks and think I'm Canadian, they carry a very different flavor than they do if you know I'm American. I think I'm rambling my way to two points here . . . The first is, please don't leave the list because you think you have to be anti-American to stay . . . (the irony of Americans having chased an American off a Canadian list is too much for me -- Americans having blathered forth in their sterotypically outspoken way and thereby misrepresented *Canadians* on Candaians' own e-turf . . . oh, dear, I feel guilty . . . ) The second is, there's something important going on here that ought to tell us something about the intersection of individual identity/subject position and wider national interests . . . if we can figure out how to escape the "feels-like-inevitable" trap of thinking "those are an American's thoughts" or "those are a Canadian's thoughts" in this protected little enclave that's pretty much free from emnity, maybe we can learn a lesson that will make it possible for us to speak and act effectively in the wider world about the emnities that threaten to blow us all apart, in every sense of that term . . . Marcy =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Marcy Bauman Media Consultant College of Pharmacy University of Michigan 734-647-2227 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, the annual conference, and publications, go to the Inkshed Web site at http://www.StThomasU.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-