============================================================ To: parkinsn listmembers <[log in to unmask]>, new voice newsletter <[log in to unmask]>, barb patterson <[log in to unmask]> From: janet paterson <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:57:36 -0400 Subj: held messages on parkinsn listserv ------------------------------------------------------------ hi all the following messages (replicated below) to the parkinsn list are being held for 'review' despite my written and telephoned queries: 10:03 2001/09/16 perspective 15:55 2001/09/16 Re: perspective / criss-cross 16:10 2001/09/16 perceptions of confrontations: re-re-post 19:42 2001/09/16 Re: New Member and a Nightmare 14:42 2001/09/17 Re: perceptions of confrontations: re-re-post 10:03 2001/09/18 ambushed? 13:36 2001/09/19 Re: Getting Parkinsn Back on Topic 21:47 2001/09/19 NEWS: Man 'unaware' of criminal harassment 13:39 2001/09/20 Re: perceptions of confrontations: re-re-post as things stand at this moment i think i have to face the fact that the parkinsn list has in fact changed direction and policy during the recent change in ownership as things stand at this moment i no longer want to participate as things stand at this moment this medium no longer contains the message i want to send or to hear sadly janet ============================================================ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:03:37 -0400 Subj: perspective ------------------------------------------------------------ ground zero is not the truth clarity is gained from distance from conflict from confusion sometimes the distance is time i.e. 60 years since one fanatic planned and perpetrated more than 5 million human deaths we are and always have been more than our bodies no-one has been or has ever been sacrificed sacrifice is impossible while we are here we keep getting the message till we get it ============================================================ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:55:01 -0400 Subj: Re: perspective / criss-cross ------------------------------------------------------------ GWP1 wrote: >the following is taken from: >http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/overview/oshaag.htm >"Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than >430,000 deaths each year, or one in every five >deaths. Paralleling this enormous health toll is >the economic burden of tobacco use: between >$50 billion and $73 billion in medical expenditures >and another $50 billion in indirect costs." > >It would seem as if the tobacco industry provides >the means by which over 400,000 U.S. residents die >every year. I suppose the difference is that these >casualties chose their fate. criss-cross posted 09-16-2001 03:45 PM the tobacco question also includes: 1. vast financial gain on the part of our governments (aka we the people) in the forms of taxes and gainful employment in the tobacco industry and its satellite industries at the cost of 2. concealed scientific evidence of addictive qualities throughout the tobacco industry's history, in order to protect such gains how much choice does an addict really have in the face of such sanctioned sales pressure? what does the term 'blood money' really mean? janet the muller ============================================================ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:10:52 -0400 Subj: perceptions of confrontations: re-re-post ------------------------------------------------------------ Post: 067938 Date: 19 Sep 1999 Subj: perceptions / list kefuffle: re-post ------------------------------------------------------------ hi all in going back digging for that rose lane quote i came across this it all sounds eerily familiar janet ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 1997/07/14 Subj: perceptions / list kefuffle ------------------------------------------------------------ dear cyber-siblings for those who don't know me very well i use the term 'siblings' consciously and deliberately this group has great importance to me as an extended family i live on an island with a population of 55,000 [ed. note: until december 1997] and have never met another parkie [ed. note: until january 1998] let alone a support group so 'you lot' are it since october 1995 when i was privileged to join this ethereal family i have: posted daily at times posted infrequently at times lurked for months at a stretch all depending on my own circumstances and my own energy levels i deal with parkinson's disease [pd] as well as with clinical depression [cd] and at times, i think cd is the harder battle when my thinking is bright and clear my sense of self is strong my sense of humour is at its goofiest my inherent natural joy in life is in top form and my tolerance for the actions of others is at its most generous when i am caught in the Grey Cloud [GC] of Clinical Depression [CD] or other Similarly Laden Internalized Modes of Expression [SLIME!] my thinking becomes consistently negative my sense of self is muddied the joy in life doesn't exist [and never did, and never will return] there is little in this wide world and dark to laugh at and there are very few people out there [a] who are worth my attention and [b] who would ever feel i was worthy of their attention this kind of murky thinking grows slowly and insidiously and feeds on itself in a slippery downward spiral i know it intimately the hardest work i've done in the past few years is learn to recognize it for what it is once i realize what's going on a little crack appears in the overhead gloom and then it's 'just' a matter of consciously working at reversing the downhill slide by whatever means necessary for me the epiphany in this struggle was suddenly learning that i had a choice in my emotional reactions that these dank cobwebby veils of negative emotion were hanging all around me because i allowed them to that is not to say that i'm 'guilty' of causing my own murk rather i comprehend that i have a conscious choice and in using that choice there is strength our society's brain-washing-staining includes a chronic tendency to look at things through a lens of confrontation life and its challenges are tackled from the narrow perspective of either / or all or nothing my way or the highway if something's wrong, someone must be blamed and on and on from a distant viewpoint i believe this approach results in global confrontations like bosnia, belfast, et al from a close viewpoint i believe this approach results in personal problems like family estrangement i know that intimately too i have an inherent distaste for any kind of censorship and would resist any attempt to restrict my own voice where am i going with all this? voice - i demand the right to my own voice choice - i can choose how i feel and react to individuals and their actions confront - all of society [including me] are conditioned to confrontation if my re-actions are coloured by my negative choice then i'm doomed to confrontation and censorship as coping techniques if my re-actions are coloured by my positive choice then the conditioning comes under question and voices are heard i had a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea that i have a choice in how i react to things including how i react emotionally; this helped: --------------------------------------------------- as novices we think we're entirely responsible for the way people treat us i have long since learned that we are responsible only for the way we treat people rose lane --------------------------------------------------- i think this concept has been wonderfully demonstrated by the incredible people on this list in the range of re-actions posted in regard to jeanne's message 'get a clue' jeanne was obviously 'spilling' a lot of anger and frustration as a 'receiver' i could have reacted with: anger, and interpreted her words as out of line and insulting; or fear, and interpreted her words as a personal attack; or acceptance, and interpreted her words as her opinion, nothing more, nothing less; or empathy, and interpreted her words as her expression of frustration; whatever; but it is my choice now i am no longer at the mercy of the tempest no person or thing can 'make' me feel anything my emotions are my own i can choose to see the cup as half empty and worry about what i don't have or i can choose to see the cup as half full and enjoy what i have it's still the same cup but my outlook is not i can choose to see jeanne's or ken's or whoever's messages as annoying or as communication they are still the same messages but my outlook is not i can choose to see the volume of messages on the list as an overwhelming burden or as generous sharing the volume is still the same but my outlook is not janet ------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.geocities.com/janet313/wordspie/199909/067938.html __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? 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