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Thank you Murray for all your contributions to the list. From personal experience, I know back problems are a long term project. So take it easy! If your Dr. agrees, I recommend the program in "Treat Your Own Back" by New Zealand therapist Robin McKenzie. I got my copy from my therapist at Spokane Group Health. I notice that Amazon sells it and has several reviews. Charley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn