On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Lawrence M. Clopper wrote: > My note was in regard to the second item in Andrzej's original > note: the letter from Innocent III (1207) that is quoted at the end of > this e-mail. The letter was partially quoted in the Decretals of Gregory > IX, 3.1.12 (Corpus iuriis canonici; Friedberg 2.452): Interdum ludi . . . > theatrales. Ludi theatrales continues to be translated as "stage plays" > despite the fact that both Chambers and Young insisted that liturgical > pieces are not the object of the prohibition. The letter and the decretal > refers to the raukous games of the lower clergy, esp. around Christmas: > boy bishops, feast of fools and the like. The canonist Bernardo Bottone > makes this quite clear in his gloss, Cum decorem, which was standard. He > says that Innocent is not referring representationes of the Nativity, > Rachel, etc. because these encourage men to worship and devotion. I am not quite sure why we should refrain from translating 'ludi theatrales' as 'stage plays' because the decretalists make it clear that what is being referred to by that phrase is the seasonal misrule of the minor clergy (often called 'ludi inhonesti' in canonical literature) rather than 'repraesentationes', which appears to be their term for at least some of what we call 'liturgical drama'. I am not sure I can think of a better way to translate 'ludi theatrales' than 'stage plays' -- I think part of the point here (as with the use of 'spectacula' ('shows', a term used in antiquity to refer to the gladiatorial shows) in canonical prohibitions) is to make an implicit comparison between the contemporary thing being prohibited and an ancient, and hence pagan, practice. By calling these things 'ludi theatrales' the canonist reminds us of the nasty practices of the ancient theatre (as they were then conceived). It's a lot like the tendency of twelfth and thirteenth century theologians to call any contemporary heretic an Arian or Sabellian -- by invoking the ancient error, which no-one wants to be seen as defending, they automatically force the object of their disagreement into a defensive role with one strike against them. Abigail Abigail Ann Young (Dr), Associate Editor/ Records of Early English Drama/ Victoria College/ 150 Charles Street W/ Toronto Ontario Canada Phone (416) 585-4504/ FAX (416) 813-4093/ [log in to unmask] List-owner of REED-L <http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~reed/reed-l.html> http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~reed/reed.html => REED's home page http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~reed/stage.html => our theatre resource page http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~young => my home page